Was Louis-Walcott I a robbery?

But Louis also showed that he was the supreme Counter/power/puncher of all time and what a finish in the 2nd fight...Ali gets credit but he did not do that to Jimmy Young...that was a classic Joe Louis Ko and comeback in a rematch despite his age

 

That´s interesting. You say that Walcott was the harder puncher because he had more KOs/KDs than Patterson but at the same time you say Marshall´s knockout percentage is misleading. Why are you using different measures?

 

huh? I said walcott had more kos/kds against

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than patterson did. start reading what i say carefully before jumping to conclusions.

 

That doesn´t change the fact that you are using two different measures. My point is you basically say Walcott has a higher KO/KD percentage against top opponents than Patterson to prove he hits harder but at the same time you say Marshall´s low KO percentage is misleading and that he was a hard puncher.
So, when it comes to Walcott you base your assumption that he is a hard puncher at his high KO/KD percentage but when it comes to Marshall his KO percentage is no evidence of him beeing not a hard puncher.

 

No not at all, I base the assumption walcott is a harder puncher by the way on film louis, charles,marciano drop like they been shot when hit by ONE walcott punch. that is why.

 

Well, in your post you it sounded different. Don´t know if i agree but if it´s your oppinion based on what you saw than so be it.

 

Yes, but these two fights might be more than a little misleading as Charles had been drafted and was serving in the army and did not train at all. He fought Bivins and Marshall while on three-day passes. It is difficult to know what to make of these fights as Charles was knocked down as many times in these two fights as he was in the rest of his entire career, amateur and professional. If one discounts these two fights, Charles was not knocked down with significantly greater frequency than Sugar Ray Robinson was, although Charles was in with many more dangerous punchers, and he reversed both defeats with a vengence after the war.

 

Very True

 

"I would lean towards Marciano taking a better shot over Quarry, but I think it's close."

Is this a twisted viewpoint or is this a twisted viewpoint? Quarry was stopped 6 times in 66 fights, much more frequently than Lee Savold (9 in 137) whom you once claimed had a weak jaw. Quarry was punched into helplessness both fights against Frazier. He was floored by Patterson. I guess these two compare to Walcott and Moore, but Marciano survived his two flash knockdowns to pound both into ko defeats. Quarry was ko'd for a ten count by one Chuvalo left hook. When did that happen to Marciano? Quarry was dropped by Roy Crear, twice by Memphis Al Jones, by Joe Alexander, and by Rufus Brassell in an after the bell exchange. When did fighters of similar stature, or lack of stature, floor Marciano?

"Quarry was stopped a few times but hardly down"

He was down at least 7 times that I know of--Crear, Memphis Al Jones (2), Patterson, Alexander, Chuvalo, Frazier--not counting the Brassell fight in which the bell rang just before Brassell connected. Quarry was a lot easier to floor than Marciano.

 

It is widely regarded as one of the worst decision in a title fight. Louis even apologized to Walcott after although Louis later claimed the apology didn't have to do with the decision but what else could it have been about.

 

You only have to see what he did to Charles to see that Louis and Marciano were tough customers.

"You were lucky that my counter knocked you down, out of the way of the followup Joe"

Jersey Joe Walcott

 

Widley regarded perhaps, but the media at the time paint a less conclusive picture.

I am not trying to legitimise the oficial verdict but this was in no way a Lewis Holyfield I type fight.

There was controvesy both ways at the time. Some papers called it a robery but some also criticised Ruby Goldstein for scoring it for Walcott.

 

I think it was. I have highlights of every round of the fight, and walcott not only knocks him down twice, he outboxes and outmanuers, outricks him nearly ever round. walcott going into round 13 alread had the fight in the bag. Louis had one good round of the fight which he won clearly, round 9. I didnt think louis fought badly at all, he was aggresive he jabbed alot and let his hands go quite a few times. its just he ran into a guy who put up a buster douglas type poor joe louis was so confused the whole fight. he later claimed "you didnt know where he was. he would come in throw punches and i would go to hit him and suddenly he would be gone, i would catch air. then a second later he was back in punching the **** out of me, i went to hit him.........he was gone again!"(basically a summary of wut louis quoted after the fight).

 

I want to start out by repating what I said. I would lean towards Marciano taking a better shot over Quarry, but I think it's close.

Its not twisted statement. Quarry to me took harder shots on flim, and fought a more dangerous punchers. How many shots did Frazier hit Quarry with before it was stopped? A lot I think. Marciano never took that sort of sustained punishemnt form someone who hit as hard as Frazier did.

Quarry fought in an era where cuts stopapges were frequent. Had Marciano fought in Quarry's era, he might have 3 TKO losses on cuts ( Walcott, Chalres, and Simmons )

Quarry only lost one match to the count, and it was because he mistimed it. Chavalo scored a clean knockdown, but Quarry was not hurt. He was just foolish.

 

Chuvalo had a worse eye against Quarry than Marciano did against Walcott and they did not stop the fight. Marciano was nowhere near being in danger of the Walcott fight being stopped on cuts. Off the pictures of the Simmons fight, that cut was kept under control also.

There is simply no reason to think Quarry would be beyond being knocked down by Walcott or Moore who punched as hard or harder than men who dropped or even stopped Quarry. It certainly is a stretch to claim Crear, Jones, and Alexander would drop Marciano, or that Chuvalo would stop him with one punch.