Was Marciano superior defensively to Tyson, and Frazier?

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Was Marciano a better defensive fighter than Tyson and Frazier?

  1. No. It's not even close enough to warrant a discussion.

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  2. Better than Tyson, worse than Frazier.

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  3. Better than Frazier, worse than Tyson.

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  4. Better than both

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, he had a little defence but his offense kept a lot on the back foot so he managed. But he had a pretty good chin to soak up the biggest shots, but his face after Louis showed how good his defense truly was.
    He didn't really concentrate on avoiding most shots if I'm being honest, that would cost him if he faced Foreman, Tyson or Lennox.
     
  2. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Marciano zero KO losses vs Frazier (3) and Tyson (5).

    The stats don’t lie. Marciano defense >>over both.
     
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  3. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You can say my name and actually have the balls to do so. Let’s lay it out for you because it’s not a debate. It is what it is. These are stats from compubox.
    opponents total connect percentage
    Rocky Marciano 24.5 percent
    Joe Frazier 29.7 percent
    Mike Tyson 32.8 percent
    Jack Dempsey 29.7 percent

    Do you see how your opinion doesn’t matter w whiff now? Say it again slowly...your opinion doesn’t matter. Facts matter. If you don’t believe it that’s a shame. But it’s reality. You making a post to make yourself look ignorant is rather amusing.
     
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  4. Unforgiven

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    Marciano fought more rounds than both of them too.
     
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  5. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The civil thing to do would have been to ask for my sources and I would have gladly told you.
     
  6. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ROLAND LASTARZA
    "In defense. It was harder to get at him ... Rocky fools you. He doesn't take as much punishment as it seems. He looks easy to hit inside but he isn't."



    CHARILE GOLDMAN
    "He ain't as easy to hit as they say. Rocky rolls under punches and he weaves under punches ... He protects his belly by blocking with his elbows.


    ANEGELO DUNDEE
    "Rocky was a very deceiving guy. He was not easy to hit."

    "Well, let’s face it. He never got licked. Undefeated heavyweight champion of the world. I mean, how much better can you do than that?"

    "Marciano is the most underratedheavyweight of all time. He had so much more than they ever gave him credit for. He was capable of getting those bigger, heavier guys and destroying them."


    KNEENE SIMMONS
    "He fools you. When you look at him from outside the ring he seems easy to hit ...But if you're in the ring with him you find this isn't the case ... His head is bobbingand he's crouched low, so low in fact thatyou can't get a clear shot at him."

    copied this from another post...here you can actually read statements from trainers of the time and opponents. Also you bringing up a non prime Marciano fight (Louis fight) is dishonest. If you watch the fight with the sound on you’ll even here the commentary state he had t yet perfected his crouch and lean style yet.
     
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  7. Colonel Sanders

    Colonel Sanders NSB defector Full Member

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    Compubox for Dempsey ?!o_Oo_O
     
  8. Colonel Sanders

    Colonel Sanders NSB defector Full Member

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    Actually not a good argument put like this.
     
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  9. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes. With the limited fights there are.
     
  10. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    lol, so true
     
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  11. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    You know the guy....the one who cannot spell SATTERFIELD.
     
  12. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hilarious! Yeah, ik the one.
     
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  13. Balder

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    His defense was sublime. I find his defense better than both Frazier and Tyson ( after comeback) Rocky by moving foward kept his opponent backing up, and so his offense and those heavy blows kept his opponent trying to hit him coming in. He would come in at akward angles and in a crouch. His goal was to get inside, all the while swinging and keeping them off balance. He could be hit coming in, but you had maybe one chance to do it before he was on you.

    Frazier could be timed, Tyson had barely any head movement after his comeback. Overall I would say Rocky is better than both. Tyson was better in his prime perhaps, as he had fleet feet and good head movement with a peek a boo style. Like other posters said, both Tyson and Frazier walked straight into the line of fire. There was more to Rocky than meets the eye at first glance.
     
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  14. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    At the risk of stating the obvious, none of these men would have got very far, without good defense for what they were.
     
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  15. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frazier was absolutely not susceptible to uppercuts in his prime. As a matter of fact, that's the shot that Ali got countered on which led to his KD in the 15th.
     
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