Was Marciano-Walcott a one punch KO?

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Was Marciano-Walcott 1 a One Punch KO?

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Fo shizzle Mcvizzle, but why are you projecting?

    Rediculous claims will meet tough scrutiny. Such as questioning the validity of Archie Moore.

    To give a more thoughtful answer, Moore may not be the Bible on Joe Louis's power, but his opinion is very much valid. You simply have to weigh it against everything else.

    You don't just discard or invalidate it, because it doesn't jive.
     
  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Becaus he was already out cold.
     
  3. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No pal it only took him 5 years to become World Champion.......
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I really couldn't care less what he said I haven't discarded or invalidated anything he says,all I did ,since he never fought Louis is question his authority on the subject .
    Walcott said Marciano had more one punch power than Louis and that opinion has to be taken as a credible, serious source since he fought both! If you want to believe Moore saying Marciano hit harder than Louis then, shouldn't you give credence to him also saying Sheppard and Durelle hit him harder than Marciano?
    Or do you subscribe to the Bob Dylan view that you can have your cake and eat it too!
     
  5. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Yes exactly. You accept both, and you weigh them against each other using other variables.
    You don't discard one, or the other, or both.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    It would have been very interesting, not to say educational to have seen Marciano against the Walcott that faced Louis in1947 and to compare that Jersey Joe to the version that defended his title against Marciano in1952, over 5 years later.
    Like wise the Charles that won the vacant title in1949 in comparison to the Ezzard that challenged Marciano in 1954, 5 years later.
     
  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't unconditionally accept either, I just mentioned the other side of the coin to put the unverified quote from Moore into its rightful context.What other variables should we be considering?
     
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  8. reznick

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    Assuming Moore did say both, you do things such as collect all the mentions of Marciano's power by Moore. So you can look at if there is a stronger pattern one way or the other. You also have to understand the context of his testimonies.

    Then, you do things like weigh his opinion against Marciano and Louis's other peers.
    And you weigh those against what you see on film, and results that were produced.

    You have to weigh everything.
     
  9. mcvey

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    Well Moore may have said Marciano hit harder than Louis ,[though I would want that quote verified,]if he did, and I know he said Durelle and Sheppard hit him harder,then it would be logical to assume that Durelle and Sheppard hit harder than Louis too would it not? Put that on the scale!
     
  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    There's a difference between not unconditionally accepting the quote, and invalidating it.
    It can't be "Take the quote literal, or it's the highway." I use these quotes not always at face value, but to understand the boxers feelings and point of view.

    For instance, a sparring partner claimed that Golovkin hit him harder than Povetkin.
    I don't use this quote to say "Gennady definitely hits harder."
    I use the quote to say "Golovkin has tremendous power."
    Because whether or not he hits harder than Povetkin, someone was willing to make the comparison. Which tells me that Golovkin may not hit as hard, but hits much harder than his weight implies.

    Similarly for this example. I won't use Moore's quote to pick Rocky over Louis, or vice versa. What I extrapolate is that he rates Rockys power highly. And like others, compared it to Louis's. So it's very likely he had great power.
     
  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    What do you do with the quotes from all the Golovkin opponents who insist his power is overrated? (Just curious)
     
  12. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Weigh them against everything else.
    I have to weigh Curtis Stevens quote, with the fact that he looked like he seen a ghost in the ring with Golovkin. I have to weigh it against the obvious flash knockdown power he suffered. I weigh it against the other testimonials regarding Golovkin, and the context of what message Stevens was trying to get out, if any.
     
  13. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    I mean look. Golovkin is one of the hardest punchers in the divisions history. I will find it very hard to believe that even you disagree with that.

    So can his power really be overrated? Compared to whom? Jackson, Hagler, Ketchel?
     
  14. mcvey

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    You have gone around in concentric circles ever since you made this benighted thread.
    I'm happy for you to arrive at your own conclusion ,a conclusion that was already made long before you asked our opinion on the subject.
    NB I said Moore's opinion of Louis' power was no more valid than Wass's ,that is not invalidating it ,it is putting it into perspective.
    You are happy to use quotes that support your opinions ,but very reluctant to give any credence to those that do not, in that you are not alone here.
     
  15. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    It's far more valid though.
    Moore fought Rocky, and is an ATG boxing legend who knows the craft inside out.