Was Marquez in better physical shape this time with a 144lbs limit?

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  1. horst

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    Marquez vs Mayweather, 2009

    JMM weigh-in weight: 142lbs

    JMM fightnight weight: 144lbs

    Difference: +2lbs

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    Marquez vs Pacquiao, 2011

    JMM weigh-in weight: 142lbs

    JMM fightnight weight: 150lbs

    Difference: +8lbs

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    Does this show the value of having a proper fitness & conditioning coach? :huh
     
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  2. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    obviously. He looked like he just got done eating a box of crispy kreme donuts in the mayweather fight.
     
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    I honestly didn't realise marquez's body was so different in both fights. He looks comparable to PAC physique wise in the recent fight. I can hardly see any definition in the mayweather fight.
     
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  4. Dembek

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    If U want to face the best roider, you got to fight roids with roids.
     
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    **** my bad, I read the title wrong :fire
     
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  6. Kid Cincinnati

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    Don't know, but he was visibly tired in rounds 9-12 the other day, and often swinging at air and off balance in rounds 10, 11 and especially 12. I thought it was his age showing. I don't think he took his foot off the gas pedal like HBO was saying. I thought he was just getting tired.
     
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    Couldn't have said it better lol
     
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    Why not show pics of Marquez in comparable positions during both fights so one could make a better assesment?

    From my standpoint, Marquez was in better shape for the Pac fight, but from the weigh-in to the actual fight he gained considerable weight in the mid section area. He looked bloated in both fights because he is not a welterweight.

    Looking at both fights I see a difference physically, Marquez has alot more mass in his traps and a little less fat in the midsection for the Pac fight. Noticeable difference, but nothing drastic.
     
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  9. irishny

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    The camera angles are deceptive. They show him bending in certain ways to make him seem softer.

    I think he was in a little better shape but like i said,these pics are deceptive.

    Show a pic of him flexing at the weigh in in 09 and he wont look so doughy

    Also in 99% sure he weighed 148 against Mayweather.
     
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  10. Post Box

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    Clearly 2011.
     
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    :deal
     
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    The main thing I noticed in Pac-Marquez 3 is that Marquez looked musclebound. You could really see the definition in his muscles and he looked bigger than PAC no question.

    In the Mayweather fight he weighed about 5 pounds less and looked soft and flabby. I won't say he used roids in 2011 but I will say he definately trained as is if it was the most important fight of his life.
     
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    You can see fat rolls on Marquez in those Mayweather pics.

    If Floyd isn't fighting Martinez or Pacquiao next, I would like to see him fight JMM.

    Most people here were saying the extra muscle was going to slow JMM down.
     
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    I like how the first few pics it shows Juan all flabby and getting owned and the 2 poses right after that it looks like he had a can of spinach :yep
     
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  15. PowerPuncher

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    He was better conditioned and stronger this time but as you noted pre fight, his speed and reactions had declined
     
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