Was Martinez not on Ped's for Murray fight?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by bigdog2001, May 10, 2013.


  1. bigdog2001

    bigdog2001 Guest

    I no alot of us are sick to it with these ped's accusations and suspicions, however having spent nearly 1/3 of my life in the fitness industry as a trainer and fitness coach i have come to understand that PED use is rampant in all of sports, especially combat sports.

    I just finished watching the martinez murray fight for the first time and could not get passed the fact that Sergio looked very slow and it seemed his power once gone. Murray looked like the stronger puncher and better conditioned fighter.

    Sergio Martinez has always took pride on his conditioning. His body looked flabby or not as tight and looked drastically different that previously. Now, i understand he is coming off surgery and all, but it was to much of a drastic change. To say he got old over night is an overstatement, because i believe the Sergio that fought Chavez or Williams k.os murray in 8. Is it that these fighters are just genetically gifted, yes. But all of those who are genetically gifted with fast twitch fibers see a natural decline in the early 30's even if you take are of your body, that is just the way it is. Guys like Hopkins, Mosley, Floyd, Marquez and Sergio are all very suspect to me. There is no way in hell you can be stronger at your mid 30's that in your late 20's, especially if you are taking your body to the max and boxing, sparring dieting ect......

    There is so many forms of Peds, for example there is like 50 different type of EPO. EPO works wonders and is the best drug to increase endurance stamina and confidence in yourself. There is so many different variations of testosterone that is just funny.

    So what can we do about it. UsaDa is a joke, it allows you to juice up while being very smart about it. So if you have doctors monitoring your juicing you can get a way with it. VADA is simply a little better but there is still ways of getting by. USADA allows you to have 4/1 T:e ration. Meaning you can supplement with testosterone as long as you don't go over this threshold.

    Testosterone is the king of all PED's and is the base, stacked alongside Hgh, EPO or any fragment peptide such as ILgrf1 then you can really get some rejuvinating benefits, new muscle growth, fat loss, speed increase to do new muscle and power as well. Studies show that ILGRF1 or fragment can help you learn new skills faster and better!!!

    Do think Sergio has been juicing? Yes, Marquez? yes! Floyd? yes!,.

    It's usually americans or those that have the money or backing to afford these supplements, doctors and trainers. Those who opt to buy from china are usually the ones that get caught because china although the homeland of PEDS does not regulate the quality of these substances and has alot of counterfeit products. One can order HGH from china and receive HCG and test postitive for HGC but you though you were shooting undetectable Hgh.!
     
  2. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    nothing to do with PED's

    Sergio is 38, he's been recently riddled with difficult injuries, from which the body doesn't recover as well as it would if he were 10 years younger, plus, he always used movement and speed and superb conditioning to his advantage, it probably gets harder and harder to fight that way once your closer to 40
     
  3. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    he wasn't on them for any fight
     
  4. bigdog2001

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    yes i understand, hand speed i can give you that, but power and stamina???

    I always suspected of him but now i'm quite confident.

    Reflexes go yes, but with proper ped supplementation it can increase your longevity.
     
  5. bigdog2001

    bigdog2001 Guest

    why was his stamina shot and power not there.

    I'm not taking about reflexes where or speed, i'm talking about stamina!!! and PoWEr!!!
     
  6. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    he's 38 and coming off of surgery on his knee
     
  7. bigdog2001

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    I understand that, but his mobility was not affected. He was still jumping up and down, got tired (NO EPO) was holding on for dear life. Could not keep Murray off of him or get him to fear him like all other fighters did.
     
  8. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    he also broke his hand in the second round vs Murray
     
  9. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Chaves JR took his soul.
     
  10. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    i think there were a few factors involved....

    surgery...coming off surgery...he's not going to work as hard as he did previously because he is testing the waters so to speak with his repaired knee.

    the 12th round of the chavez fight....make no mistake about it...getting your ass beat like that, even for one round...takes something out of a man...even sergio.

    murray....who the hell was murray? and how do you get up for a guy who everyone is telling you should be easy work? with paul he had the motivation of avenging a loss....with chavez he had the motivation of regaining something that was taken from him. murray was just some guy he was supposed to beat.

    argentina...the pressures of being home....having to deal with family...the weight of a nation...all that can take it's toll.

    age....martinez isn't as young as he used to be...he may have over trained...that would explain the flat look in the ring as well.
     
  11. bigdog2001

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    Yes i see your points and they are all valid, might have overtrained. But i'm 99.9 sure he is on some kind of PED especially HGH and EPO. or a fragment of HGH or a designer peptide which are very costly.
     
  12. TheCrazyCal

    TheCrazyCal Baby Faced Hassassin Full Member

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    when a boxer looks on par with a natural bodybuilder (or indeed a sprinter) theres a very good chance theyre using PEDS, however EPO doesnt give you a great bod it just gives you unlimitless stamina.
    the more weight classes you move up the more likely test is at the root of it all.
    you can make great gains using food and many still do, but when millions of dollars or even a 1000 is your skint they will be used.

    go on any weight training forum and you`ll realise the truth.

    a mate of mine i met on such a forum threw javelin for england and came 3rd in the AAA`s.
    he had no idea of why he was throwing 10m less than world standard.

    he was also best mates with a chap called carl myerscough in his teens who was our no.1 shot putter till he failed the test.

    if youre not in the know you assume it simply doesnt happen.

    tbh i wouldnt particularly pick martinez out for using gear, but id be more surprised if he didnt.

    khan is now i`m sure..

    steroids make you stronger, you dont have to be on them for the fight night not to benefit from them, theres still no actual test i beleive for GH, and if not i`m sure there wont be tests yet for IGF, or any of the many other peptides out there..GHRP6 etc
    insulin is also a PED that cant be tested for.

    check out "bigger, stronger, faster" on you tube.

    it is cheating cos theres rules against using steroids/peptides, BUT in reality it simply levels the playing field.

    the creme will allways rise to the top, so mayweather, pac, are still the best..

    even at heavyweight GH will get you leaner give you more energy, higher bodyweight to fat ratio, you could also be on gh for fight night.

    http://www.exrx.net/AnabolicSteroids/EludingTechniques.html


    current testing is a jke.
    http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-lead/dr-don-catlin-on-anti-doping-in-boxing
     
  13. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    his mobility wasn't the same.
     
  14. mishima

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    **** thread and **** logic
    A poor performance doesn't mean a fighter is peds free
     
  15. bigdog2001

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    why are you here then. No logic??? Athletes perform better while on peds that includes boxers buddy.

    Look at mosely and every fight he has been tested on ??? Mosley refused to fight Judah because judah was requesting extra testing.

    But you are right a bad performance does not equate to him being ped free he could have still be using but probably got a bad batch. Who knows, only Sergio.