Was Max Schmeling just a crude bar room brawler?

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Was Max Schmeling just a crude bar room brawler?

  1. Yes, he was.

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  2. No, but he was very limited fighter

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  3. No, he was a good boxer

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  1. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Actually after watching the Greb training film, Pat did state that he had a couple of kids in his gym who would beat Greb.
     
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  2. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, he must be a poor trainer if he has GOAT-level talent on his gym and can't make them world champions :D
     
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  3. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    I have a "fetish" for science, common sense and objectivity. It was you who came up with

    "Who the fukk of Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, Klits would bother with this guy??"

    "Most of these fighters lost to worse fighters than Schmeling."

    If you want to talk about skill and abilities near his weight: Patterson, Walcott, Charles, young Joe Frazier, both Spinks, Byrd, Conn, Dempsey, Tunney, Usyk and Haye come up my mind who look better than him, with some imho overcome that Baer handicap too. And no, I don´t think he looks more skilled or the better fighter compared to Douglas, Moorer, Norton, forget about the ATGs these guys lost to.

    Schmeling is overrated due to meeting Louis to right night, like Joe Frazier did Ali. With the unique feature of looking no way next to this career defining high in the rematch.
     
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  4. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Science? What science are you talking about?
    It's one thing to pick ATG fighters over him, but another one to call him bar room brawler who can't fight. You are free to call him overrated, although I disagree that Walcott, Young, Leon Spinks, Byrd or Haye were better fighters than him.
    It would be plasuable if Schmeling didn't accomplish much other than this win. It's not true in reality - he beat Jack Sharkey, Uzcudun three times (draw was a hometown decision), Hamas, Risko, Neusel, Walker and was the only fighter to knocked out Stribling in very long career.
    It's not his career defining high though, he was the champion way before Louis fight. You act like all he did is Louis fights when in reality he had successful career without these fights. He was the best HW fighter between Tunney and Louis, he got robbed against Sharkey in second fight and didn't get a chance against Braddock even though he was the best contender at that time.
     
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  5. Mendoza

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    Schemling had plenty of skills. One of the best counter punchers in heavyweight history.
     
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  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Tyson would have all kinds of trouble with Tuffy Griffiths.
    http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/griffiths-gerald-tuffy.htm
     
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  7. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Against the wrong style anybody could look crude and against the right style anybody could look like a master technician.
     
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  8. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Even in the worst fight we can see from Max - Schmeling doesn't look crude. Limited and with poor strategy, but not crude.
     
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  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Not crude but limited. He uses space well when he's not overpowered. He's got good anticipation and ring IQ but his tools are bit limited.
     
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  10. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's fair post. I think that he could have problems with bigger skilled fighters, but his smarts and skills could overcome some disadvantages. He did beat Uzcudun three times and Paulino was bigger and he was a bruiser.
     
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  11. andrewe

    andrewe Ezekiel 33 banned Full Member

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    He had a little bit more skill than crude bar room brawlers, then again all those guys are drunk so...
     
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  12. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Guys from your gym would destroy him, right? ;)
     
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  13. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Schmeling was a very smart cool calculated boxer who would find your weakness and pick you apart
     
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  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    This is pretty much how I see it.
     
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  15. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    If I were at the arena when he fought Joe Louis the first time, I’d pull up my phone and play sudoku.
     
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