Was Monzon better than Arguello P4P?

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  1. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So did the shark in Jaws
     
  2. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I doubt they meant Marcel. He’s another in a long list of fighters that was almost completely overlooked until the Internet age. Ring Magazine and ESPN Classic preferred to shove guys like Tony Zale and Rocky Graziano down our throats for decades.
     
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  3. crixus85

    crixus85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Easy answer as the question is pound for pound.
    Arguello took risks in 4 weight categories.
    Monzon never dared to do that.
    Several other Latin boxers would rate higher than Monzon, for the same reason.
     
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  4. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "Like a doll's eyes"

    My favorite all time movie.
     
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  5. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That doesn't always tell the full story.

    Using that kind of logic, Miguel Cotto is better than Marvin Hagler.

    But we all know that isn't true.

    Monzon was simply harder to beat than Arguello.
     
  6. crixus85

    crixus85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Let’s see how hard he would have been to beat, had he moved up just one weight to tackle Conteh, Galindez, Ahumada and the like.
    Arguello took risks in the highly competitive lighter weights and flourished.
     
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  7. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Also, not that simple.

    That's why a super middleweight division was necessary, and should have been created sooner.

    The jump from 160 to 175 is perhaps the most significant jump in history.

    It's not at all the same as Arguello being able to dominate from 126-135
     
  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    If Monzon moved up and was brutally destroyed by Foster (which is what would've happened), then all that would do is hurt his legacy. Monzon staying at MW made him greater in the long run.

    No middleweight in history would beat Foster, so it's stupid to have that as a reason why Monzon wasn't as great as someone. It's essentially the same as taking Alexis from the Pyror fight and throwing him with a prime Napoles. Like what did you think was gonna happen?
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No, Olivares w rated 18th on the list, I guess they just count it as fighters fought on the top 50 list rather than fights.
     
  10. crixus85

    crixus85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Harry Greb, made a habit of trouncing lightheavies and heavies, while the much smaller and past his best D.ck Tiger didn’t find the jump too high to win and defend the undisputed title.
    I’m aware of your general point, but it’s a pity that Monzon didn’t challenge himself, instead of using up 4 defences against much smaller opponents in Moyer, Griffith and Napoles.
     
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  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    They meant Pryor and Olivares.
     
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  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Find me some fighters...name them...who didn't have "holes" in their style.
     
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  13. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    The big distinction is that most people, I believe..have more affection for the shark in Jaws than Monzon.
     
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  14. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This post has clinched it for me. Arguello..... taking out the line that Monzon was very beatable, even though no did whislt champion :thinking:
     
  15. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There's no such thing as the perfect fighter, but just to name the obvious three... prime versions of Robinson, Duran, and Leonard had no glaring holes.

    A guy like Eder Jofre didn't have too many holes either.
     
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