Was Monzon better than Arguello P4P?

Monzon was every bit as effective as those guys that you listed.

 

In that case, which 3 did Monzon beat? Griffith, Napoles, and...?

 

That’s absurd. Can you post the list?

 

Not me.

 

I've always liked and admired Ortiz for his class and greatness. But it wasn't until I got on these boards did I realize how much hard core boxing fans appreciated him. Needless to say I was over the moon.

 

No

 

No Monzon wasn't better p4p than Arguello. Arguello's competition was much better and at multiple weight classes.
Monzon's competition is very suspect at best. Names like Napoles and Griffith look great and if they were prime would certainly be better than what Arguello's beat. But both fighters were beyond their primes and fighting above their best weight class.
Briscoe was a good fighter, but failed everytime he fought for a version of a championship. Valdes , a great puncher, only fighter to stop Briscoe, but was very one dimensional, his rep comes because he gave Monzon hell. ( Like Barkley gave Hearns hell, does that make him great? Or was it his style)
Benvinuti was a good fighter, that's it.
Arguello faced the best fighters at multiple different weight classes between 76 and 84. He avoided no one. Sure he lost to Fernandez , but whom did Monzon faced that was comparable to him?
Arguello and Monzon were similar for their weight class in their style of fighting but Arguello had a much better variety of punches and was a much better combo and body puncher.
Their jabs were about even , but really are they if Arguello faced better competition?
Sure Arguello had 2 ko losses but whom did Monzon face that was comparable to A.Pryor at A. Pryors best weight?
Monzon would to need to fight and beat someone like prime Dwight Braxton at Lt.heavy to be compared favorably.
Monzon was a heck of a fighter. But he wasn't the best Middleweight of all times and he certainly in my opinion a notch or two below A.Arguello.

 

I don't consider Monzon as good P4P as Robinson, Duran, and Leonard.

I mean, the gap isn't tremendous, but there is a gap.

 

I consider Ortiz greater than Arguello.

I love both about equally, and Alexis was certainly the better puncher and the more consistent.

But Ortiz when he was on was as complete a technician as there's ever been.

 

This is an excellent case for Arguello and makes a lot of pertinent points. Arguello has about a dozen successful title defenses to his name overall and never lost any of his titles in the ring. Wins over championship fighters are common. Plenty of Arguello's conquests went on to win worlds titles at a later date.

Realistically there's not much between this pair of great fighters.

 

Carlos Monzon was a slight better fighter, he had not lost in 82 consecutive fights going back to Oct 9 1964, he avenged all three defeats, eight of the nine draws. He held the ttle from Nov 7 1970,when he knocked out Nino Benvenuti in round 12, in Rome, Italy, until he announced his retirement on August 29 1977. He retired with the World Middleweight Title after 14 title defenses. He was a counterpuncher with a long reach, deadly right hand, and had faced many styles, calm, cool and collected. His final record was, 89-3-9, 61 KO's. Alexis Arguello was a very great champion as well, he was also a counter puncher with a very deadly right hand, he won titles in various weight classes, WBA Featherweight Title, WBC World Junior Featherweight Title, and WBC World Lightweight Title. He was a true champion with class and dignity. His only Achilles heel was trouble against mobile opponents as seen against Vilomar Fernandez and Aaron Ptyor. These two are true examples of the word Champion.