Was Muhammad Ali's 60s era really that strong?

I dont think it was that strong. What I think it was, was competitive and that is something that many on here really seem to not understand at all.
Many people think it was strong due to close competitive fights and great due to other fighters resumes sort of being made by what the other fighters were doing, example, fighter A beats fighter B but loses to fighter C who loses to fighter B, if you see what I mean. It becomes a round robin effect and people start to think tough fights equal era. That isnt to take away from the brave fighters of that era.
When you get a dominant champ, fools think its a weak era rather than just a very good champion, whereas if there isnt a dominant champ fools think it is stronger because there wasnt anybody dominant.
I dont doubt that had there been a L Lewis or W Klitschko around at that time who easily beat the other opponents it probably wouldnt be called as strong

 

Insecurity or what!!! Sissy, why are you bringing my name up. You all hurt or something lol. What has someone being British or American got to do with anything?
You come across as a very insecure poster

 

Size, power, strength, height, reach to name just a few reasons, yet you think it is only due to size?

 

I would be very interested with who would really pick the top HW fighters of the 60s/70s over todays massive HWs of today like Joshua.
Note who you feel would win and why?

 

Lol that's obviously not what I mean't. If one fighter is 140 and another is 160 then the 20 lb weight is a big advantage. At Heavyweight if one fighter is 210 and another is 230 the size difference is a lot smaller.

Show me stats that prove that in world title fights the heavier fighter usually wins. Lets look at a history of all the major heavyweight title transfers.
John L Sullivan lost to James Corbett Winner: Smaller guy
Jame J Corbett lost to Bob Fitzsimmons Winner: Smaller guy
Bob Fitzsimmons lost to Jeffries Winner: Bigger guy
Johnson lost to Willard Winner: Bigger guy
Willard lost to Dempsey Winner: Smaller guy
Dempsey lost to Tunney Winner: Smaller guy
Schmeling lost to Sharkey Winner: Bigger guy
Sharkey lost to Carnera Winner: Bigger guy
Carnera lost to Baer Winner: Smaller guy
Baer lost to Braddock Winner: Smaller guy
Braddock lost to Louis Winner: negligible difference
Charles lost to Walcott Winner: Bigger guy
Walcott lost to Marciano Winner: Smaller guy
Patterson lost to Johansson Winner: Bigger guy
Johansson lost to Patterson Winner: Smaller guy
Patterson lost to Liston Winner: Bigger guy
Liston lost to Ali Winner: Smaller guy
Frazier lost to Foreman Winner: Bigger guy
Foreman lost to Ali Winner: Smaller guy
Ali lost to Spinks Winner: Smaller guy
Spinks lost to Ali Winner: Bigger guy
Holmes lost to M. Spinks Winner: Smaller guy
M. Spinks lost to Tyson Winner: Bigger guy
Tyson lost to Douglas Winner: Bigger guy
Douglas lost to Holyfield Winner: Smaller guy
Holyfield lost to Bowe Winner: Bigger guy
Lewis lost to McCall Winner: Smaller guy
McCall lost to Bruno Winner: Bigger guy
Bruno lost to Tyson Winner: Smaller guy
Tyson lost to Holyfield Winner: Smaller guy
Holyfield lost to Lewis Winner: Bigger guy
Lewis lost to Rahman Winner: Smaller guy
Rahman lost to Lewis Winner: Bigger guy
Klitschko lost to Fury Winner: Bigger guy

That's 16 to 17 in favor of the smaller guy but that is practically negligible. The only logical conclusion is skill matters way more than size and size is negligible.

 

Advantages don't help you win fights. Joshua has not had one test yet clown. He isn't even a world champion. Why you guys continue to think that size matters when history has taught your sorry ass that size doesn't matter. Joshua hasn't been in a fire fight, a long drawn out fight, and his resume is lacking in every department where Ali's flourishes. Foh with your degenerate logic. Talk to me after Joshua retires because I'm not the one to discuss a 19 fight untested prospect against a legend. If if the 60's weren't that good or the 70's then what is Joshua's era of heavies? Oh he hasn't fought during an era yet. ****en clown.

 

You have a severe complex when it comes to American heavies. Is Joshua the best heavy ever? You won't answer. You have no evidence to back your shitty pathetic claim that Joshua beats any ATG or legend. I don't argue with clowns like you because you don't really understand boxing.

 

Mathis was a top fighter of the era. Frazier had trouble for the first 5 rds then he started to solve Mathis pretty quick with a left hook to the body. When a fighter fights top level competition they are bound to have trouble at some point. Your nitpicking every little thing and acting as if Frazier doesn't win every second of every round then somehow that makes him inferior to other fighters. Have you seen the Whyte fight? He was giving Joshua loads of problems and making AJ miss a lot. Ali would have had no trouble at all with Joshua of that fight. Definitely not the master of cutting off the ring and marksman like accuracy that you have been talking about.

 

Reading that ******ed **** had me laughing my mother****en ass off lol...

 

The same idiot who've been trying to sell Dllian Whyte as some sort of monster have also been trying to diss Mathis as some fat slob, whereas any boxing fan with a few braincells can see that Mathis was a better fighter than Whyte at every single aspect of the game.

 

Just that quote there sums you up lol.
Repeat that sentence again

Not disagreeing with that clown. I am saying that I dont think smaller HWs from the past would be a test in this modern era

Who said he was?
You losing it? You are coming out with all these statements rather than what was written, as well as randomly mentioning me to other posters like an odd ball

This is what you are really misunderstanding and for whatever reason keep bringing up Ali as if he was the only fighter from that era.
I rate many of the fighters from yesteryear but that doesnt mean I think they would be effective in this era.
Cooper wasnt a big HW and by todays HWs would be very small but he was a dangerous puncher to Ali. Just imagine how dangerous the bigger HWs from this era would be in that era.
What makes you even think Joshua would need to get into a fire fight? I doubt it would go that far as I would imagine Joshua scoring a KO long before that stage.[/QUOTE]

 

Fair enough, at least it seems you acknowledged your original statement was wrong. Yes, as I said in another post, I don't dispute specific weight matters less at higher weights. Just that HW is the only weight class where it really matters much at all because it is the only unlimited.

For your list, it was a genuinely good effort. I've noticed you try to do your homework on this stuff and give you credit for that. Still, very selective choices for "major title transfers". Not a single Vitali fight and only one Wlad? I'm sure I could come up with a list that was very imbalanced toward bigger hws. Also, alot of the fighters you attribute as smaller were taller and approximately the same weight.
The stats I referenced were compiled exhaustively by the hw boxing blog guy, who looked at all hw matches. Sites down, though. Finally, it's not size v skill so much as size v power. Every dominant HW champ in the last 70 plus years has been either larger or harder hitting than average for their peers. Smaller and slicker is not a recipe for success in terms of trying to be a dominant champ.

 

What are you going on about?

What are you asking me for? Best HW ever based on what?

Why wouldnt I answer? I dont duck questions, thats what you do.

You argue all the time, making yourself look a fool, but you do duck questions and thats when you cant back up an argument lol

Now watch the duck when I ask Sissy these questions

So you make this comment

Firstly if Joshua is to beat Wlad, would he have beaten an ATG legend?
Did Fury beat an ATG legend?
With that comment do you think Joshua would lose to these HW legends
Dempsey
Marciano
Johnson
Louis

As I said, watch the duck[/QUOTE]

 

Hell no!

Tweener just outlasting small cruisers...

 

Vitali only lost to Chris Byrd when he held a title and he wasn't seen as "the champ". Same with Wlad, he never won his titles from a single dominant champ. He pieced them together from less skilled title holders.

Smaller but taller and approximately the same weight? The only guys I would think you are talking about are Holyfield and Ali. Tyson and Liston were naturally bigger than those guys respectively. Height doesn't really matter when calculating size. David Tua was bigger than Ali for example.