Was Nortons win over Ali a fluke?

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  1. Kingkazim

    Kingkazim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes im asking this question...

    I dont believe that for a minute, but due to specific circumstances I need some points to argue for it being a fluke

    I mean...the fight was in 1973, after the Frazier fight, perhaps he was "past" it? He did also break his jaw during the fight...that may contribute to the argument that it was a "fluke"

    Or is that question generally ******ed?
    ^To what extent is that comment ******ed?
     
    Kingkazim, May 23, 2011
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  2. pmfan

    pmfan Active Member Full Member

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    Not even close to a fluke. If you did not have a huge punch capable of hurting Norton, he was a beast and a handful for anyone. Even a bit later he fought on very even terms for 15 rounds against Larry Holmes in his absolute prime. Norton had a style that gave Ali fits in all 3 fights between them. It was definitely not a fluke.
     
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  3. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Norton had his number, in my opinion he won their trilogy 2-1
     
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  4. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Depends how you look at it... Norton was a good boxer & had a good style to trouble Ali but Ali underrated him, wasnt in the best shape, got a broken jaw which almost never happens & won the rematch when both were 100% but was still troubled in the 2nd half of that rematch due to the style thing, the decision was close but clear IMO tho.
     
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  5. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    Which win are we talking about here, cus I had Norton beating Ali in a couple of fights...
     
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  6. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I wont argue with your 2-1 score as long as the 1 for Ali is fight 2.

    Also... having someones number would lead to 3-0, not 2-1, no ?
     
    Bill Butcher, May 23, 2011
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  7. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Obviously he means the official win in fight 1, not everyone will have the exact same opinion as you.
     
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  8. JoeLaTurkey

    JoeLaTurkey Active Member Full Member

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    No fluke, he was just an above average fighter with a terribly tricky style for Ali.

    Norton gave Ali hell in the rematches and damn near beat Holmes, so I can't call it a fluke.
     
    JoeLaTurkey, May 23, 2011
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  9. Kingkazim

    Kingkazim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thats the same conclusion i have come to

    Its no coincidence that Eddie Futch trained 4/5 of the fighters that beat Ali
     
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  10. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    no fluke cause i really think norton won the 3rd bout and dont forget he nearly beat holmes
     
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  11. zoo

    zoo Active Member Full Member

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    Fluke? LMFAO Norton arguably won all three fights.
     
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  12. EDDIE FUTCH

    EDDIE FUTCH Push nose into the brain Full Member

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    - cesare-borgia
    Agreed. Ali's 'charisma' & big personality allowed him to get away with a lot.

    Thanks....:lol:

    But seriously, IMHO, one of the few guys to outjab Ali.

    Like I said, just IMHO (obviously I'm just borrowing/honouring the late great Eddie's name)
     
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  13. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    How could it be a fluke? With proper scoring Norton would've won the 3rd fight aswell as their 1st.
     
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  14. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    yeah ali won the second fight, ali was more talented but already past prime and just stylistically norton troubled him, I guess its able to overcome that but very difficult, look at pac vs marquez how deep he had to go to get the win.
     
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  15. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Huh??? WTF - he arguably beat Ali three times! :nut :patsch

    No, it wasn't a fluke! :nono
     
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