Was pacquiao vs marquez 3 a robbery?

Do you have some numbers for us? These are pretty big polls, include most of US name boxing writers. Certainly more credible than alt ridden ESB

 

It was a robbery in my eyes, a close but clear win for Marquez I thought..

 

A clear 116-112 victory at the closest for JMM.

I have nothing against people claiming robbery in fights where no way on Earth can I see giving the official victor more than 4 rounds.

 

Lol aren't you the guy/girl who has multiple accounts. Lol quoting your self.atsch

 

I think JMM-Pac III was more competitive than Tim-Pac but Tim-Pac was closer vs Bradley Pac fought 20 secs a round and for lack of better terms gave that fight away Pacquiao tried vs JMM and got schooled in the 9-3 range, I can see Pacquiao or Bradley getting the decision in there bout Marquez on the other hand blatantly kicked Pacquiao's ass

 

Its simple, genuine robberies are characterized by consensus. This fight had nothing like it, only 40% of the press had Jmm winning vs like 39% for Pac. Average expert score 6-6. Thats a textbook draw

 

That's complete nonsense.

Keep telling yourself that. Even you will believe it in time.

 

Unlike your emotional rants I posted a link, scroll up for the expert scores

 

"Expert scores" mmmhm?

I've seen lists of "media members" before. JMM was the obvious winner based on their results.

Polls on this site show a large majority scoring for JMM. Most by a 4 point margin... And the only vocal ones who say Pac won or it was a draw are suspiciously the same ones who spew pro-Pac news daily.

More so, when discussing this fight in person with actual boxing fans who can't hide behind the internet and troll, the consensus becomes even more apparent.

 

Link us to these lists.


It would be easier to take the posts on this thread seriously if they weren't all written by agenda-driven *******s/pachaters.

 

You dont have to rely on your clearly bad memory, the link is in this thread. 57 had it for Jmm, 51 for Pac, remaining 30+ draw. Thats not clear, thats indicative of a draw as is the average score of 114-114. This has been posted many times, you really shouldnt be misremembering it at this point. I get its highly convenient to forget

 

One must account either for the media seeing it a draw or fan boards seeing it predominantly for JMM. I think the media is more likely to have scored the entire fight rather than just making an overall observation. Because Nacho told JMM he was ahead so he took his foot off the gas and gave away some at the end. Also there are tons of Pac haters on the net for some reason I haven't yet figured out. So there you have it. It was essentially a draw and nobody can dispute that fact and also retain their credibility.

 

Merely having most US boxing writers does not make the numbers themselves relevant since such writers can easily be drowned out by the idiots. Merely having a domain name hardly qualifies one to be a gatekeeper or makes the numbers more of a "critical consensus" than a random poll on a message board. Of course I reject such a notion anyone as most of the big name boxing writers who were ringside have proven themselves over and over to be poor judges anyway.

Given your request though, here are some helpful empirics from one portion of those scores. Links available for any on request.

• Harold Lederman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao Ringside
  
• Joseph Herron, FightSaga: 116-112 Pacquiao Not ringside
• Cliff Rold, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside
  
• Will Carroll, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao No source for score; doubtful at ringside since he's a damn fantasy football writer.
• Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 116-113 Pacquiao Not ringside.
• Chris Koegler, TheRealHook.com: 115-113 Pacquiao No source for score; doubtful he's at ringside since he merely runs a blog.
• David Kassel, FightHype.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Ringside
• Rob Rutz, MyBoxingFans.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside.
• Sean Sullivan, BoxingDigest: 115-114 Pacquiao No source
  
• Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao Not ringside
  
• Brian Mazique, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside (lol Bleacher Report)
• Glen Anglin, BoxingNews24.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside (lol ESB)
  
• Michael Rosenthal, Editor, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao Ringside
  
• Skip Bayless, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao LOLOLOL
  
• Jake Donovan, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao No source, probably ringside.
  
• Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao Not ringside, lol this score
  
• Bill Shimizu, Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Ringside
• Massimo Lopes Pegna, La Gazzetta dello Sport (Italy): 115-114 Pacquiao Ringside
  
• James Foley, BleacherReport.com: 115-114 Pacquiao Not ringside
• Anthony Lee, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Pacquiao Not ringside (lol ESB)
  
• John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside
  
• Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside
• Nick Fors, Pasionsports.com: 115-113 Pacquiao No source
  
• Ronald Geronimo, NowBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside
  
• Danny Serratelli, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside, lol ESB
• Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Ringside
  
• Sean Faye, Eurosport Yahoo!: 116-115 Pacquiao No source
  
• Scott Shaffer, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside
• Nate Ravitz, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao No source for score; doubtful at ringside since he's a damn fantasy football writer.
• Mike Chiari, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside, lol Bleacher Report
  
• Patrick L. Stumberg, SBNation: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside
  
• Colin Seymour, FrontPageBoxing.com/Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside
  
• Jason Peck, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao Not ringside, lol ESB
• Steve Busfield, The Guardian: 116-114 Pacquiao Not ringside
• Nick Fox, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Pacquiao No source, I've literally never seen this person on BLH and can find no reference to him other than this collection of scores.
  
• Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside.
  
• Max Parker, Boxing Watchers: 115-114 Pacquiao Not ringside
  
• Adam Hirshfield, Bleacher Report.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside, lol Bleacher Report.
  
• King J Gladney, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Ringside
• Ben Weisman, *****************: 116-113 Pacquiao Not ringside
• Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 116-113 Pacquiao No source.
• Michael David Smith, AOL NEWS/MMA Fighting.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside
  
• Madra Uladh, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside, lol ESB
  
• Michael Woods, ESPN/TheSweetScience.com: 115-114 Pacquiao Not ringside
  
• Brad Cooney, 8CountNews.com/Examiner.com: Pacquiao by one round Not ringside
  
• "Old Yank" Schneider, Boxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao Not ringside
• Greg Leon, BoxingTalk.com: 115-114 Pacquiao Not ringside
  
• Steve Marzolf, InsideHBOBoxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao No source, probably ringside.
  
• Darrell La Montre, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao Not ringside
• Terra (Brazil): 116-112 Pacquiao No soruce, probably ringside.
  
• Joel Huerto, SportsFanLive: 115-113 Pacquiao Ringside.
  

To review, a whopping 8 of the 51 ringside experts can actually be confirmed for the first part of the title. We may as well also count Donovan, Terra, and Marzolf for an astounding 21% ringsided rate among ringside experts.

 

Nah. Robbery is an overused term.

Lewis-Holyfield 1, Whitaker-Chavez, Ramirez-Whitaker 1, Escalera-Everett...those are robberies.

And Coggi-Gonzalez 1 is beyond any of those.

 

Yep sure looked like one to me. The subsequent robbery in favor of Bradley was about as bad. Marquez looked like the boss in that 3rd fight. Bradley caused Pac problems and took about 5 rounds. But, the talent and experience disparity was apparent. Not to mention, the early injuries. I expect Bradley to do a lot better in a rematch. Anyway...YES JMM put on a near clinic and got shafted, IMO.