Was Pavlik really 111 degrees four days before the Hopkins fight?

No, but he was certainly ill with bronchitis.

There have been all sorts of accusations about excuse-making on here, but I think excusing Pavlik is in this case justified. An excuse is something like "I was wearing the wrong socks" (Pacquiao) or "His shorts blinded me" (McCall); but this was a medical fact.

In any case, it's not as if Pavlik got outboxed - he was absent. It wasn't that he was trading with B-Hop and wasn't strong or fast enough, or that he couldn't find the range, or that he was gassed. He just wasn't doing anything. He wasn't throwing anything, he couldn't get his javb off. He just looked totally lethargic and disinterested. You heard his words: "It just didn't feel like me in there."

There was also a sense of grudging resignation by the corner - if Pavlik had got beaten down out-of-the-blue, then you can be sure Jack Loew would have lit a fire under his ass after every round. But he didn't - he was pretty somber and sympathetic, and came out with ***** **** like "I know you're trying, Kel" etc.

That indicates to me that there was something very wrong for him to perform in that way, and that's why I take his claim of illness seriously.

As for the weight, Pavlik weighed in at 169 and grew to 171 at fight night, which certainly suggests there was something wrong. For the Rubio fight he weighed in at 160 and rehydrated to over 171, and that was over 1 weight class below. So there was obviously something seriously wrong.

B-Hop declined to be weighed if I remember correctly, but he probably weighed at least 15 pounds more than Pavlik at fight-night.

 

111 degrees is death. I can't believe someone would write or believe that. And despite Jack loew claiming Bernard out-weighed Pavlik so much and weighed 185-186, this is a total lie. Both guys did the weigh-in for the fight. Bernard was 181. He weighed like 7 pounds more, not 16.

 

BS! Pavlik went from 169-174. Bernard went from 170 to 181.

 

Bernard was not 187. He was 7 pounds heavier at 181. Bernard would never re-hydrate that much, he's in too good of shape.

 

I agree. Originally, right after the fight in the ring, he had no excuses. Then, by the next day the excuses already started and now it is alleged that he had a temperature of 111 degrees? A fever for an adult of 103 is considered dangerous, so I highly doubt he had a fever of 111.

Hopkins that night would have beat any version of Pavlik that we have seen to date. The problems that Hopkins presented to Pavlik were not because of Kelly's physical deficiencies but because of how their styles match-up. Hopkins has always done well against standard come forward fighters who are predictable. Add to the fact that Pavlik had no alternate gameplan shows that he was unprepared.

 

You should go use your own language too!

 

You do realize that if the fighters allow it, their weight on find night is taken, right? My source is the freaking fight, since I have it on tape. Jack Leow is the one that started saying that!

 

Booradley's right: the ****ing double-standards on this forum are a joke.

Cotto gives his best showing and comes up short against Margo, and everyone in ****ing sight jumps onto his nuts: Margarito had knives and shards of glass in his gloves, of course. Without the slightest evidence, and despite the fact that Cotto looked as elite as ever in the ring, people excuse his loss as if it never happened, and even come out with **** about how the loss should be wiped from his ****ing record and Margo should be ****ing hanged in public.

Pavlik steps up and looks drained at the weight, and is totally absent for the whole fight, but that's just "an excuse" and suddenly he's just an over-rated tosspot fed a diet of cup-cakes and tomato cans, who got schooled by a zimmer-frame laden ex-con.

Gimme a ****ing break.

 

Kelly was not 100% but he was not beating Hopkins that night, even if he had been. But claims like this are pathetic. Kelly does not make excuses, does he and it takes away from an amazing performace by B-hop. Kelly losing the fight is good in the long run because he is now working on things he was not using enough of before. That's why he let Rubio survive as long as he did and pulled back at times and I thought he showed progress technique wise. His conditioning for his last fight was also a bit different and I thought he looked faster for it.

 

No but his temprature did go up after Hopkins lit him up

 

The 111 is a typo. According to Thomas Hauser it was 101 the day before the fight, and Pavlik was on multiple medications. On fight night the doc did not take a temp. He just ask KP about it and looked at some medical records Mike Pavlik SR provided. That's what Hausser said, and he was in the locker room.

 

**** his temprature he got taken to school by a Better skilled fighter END OF!!!