Was Prime Mike Tyson Unbeatable?

Bravo. "Life happens", "Douglas had character". These are excellent takes. There are dozens of athletes with worse circumstances than Tyson including Douglas himself leading up to the fight. People are playing mental gymnastics. Frazier won a fight with a broken thumb and didn't tell anyone. Was half blind his whole career. Excellent point about Michael Jordan too.

My own dad had a stroke during my final semester of college before graduation. I did my grieving, and graduated. Like you said, life happens and those with character dig deep to finish strong.

 

So Mike Tyson was a victim of Mike Tyson knocking people out, and he didn’t fight once very three weeks like he did when he was coming up? That’s kind of ridiculous. He had four fights in 18 months and three in the space of 365 days — I guess every modern champion gets to say ‘not active enough’ and not count the loss since they only fight twice a year?

Man you’re doing backflips here. Mike Tyson was as active or more active than any other champ of the time. They have training camps for all these fights. Where is Tyson’s rust against Williams? He didn’t have a lot of actual rounds in a short time leading up to that. Or many of his other quick KOs. He stopped Bruno in three rounds in the rematch despite having 4 minutes of actual ring time in 4+ years — why didn’t that affect him?

 

I previously said Tyson, Rooney,D'Amato, Clayton,Jacobs was unbeatable and Tyson with Don King was beatable.
I just think your reaching when you go as far as discrediting Tillis so you can discredit Tyson. When someone sticks up for Tyson all the haters say"excuses, excuses " but when the haters start reaching just so you can discredit Tysin thats Okay??
And for the record Im not a Tyson fan.

 

1. No… he didn’t need to fight every 3 weeks. But he was a fighter built on being active. He fought 4 times in 1987 as champion and 3 times in 1988 as champion. Big difference to go from that to only seeing one round in a whole year.

2.the time frame from the spinks fight to the Douglas fight was 20 months actually. Not 18. And you’re still counting the Douglas fight as a match he had going into the Douglas fight. Why are you doing this? Again he fought ONE time inside of a year going into that match. What’s wrong with Simple math? It works for me.

3. He showed no rust against Williams because there was never a chance to show any. He hit a fighter with a left hook who was historically susceptible to left hooks. He went down. He got up to eat the count and the fight was waved off leaving Williams angered.
4. Umm maybe because Bruno himself was 8 years older by then ? Could that have something to do with it?

some take aways for you when contemplating this fight.
1. Tyson was not past his prime
2. Douglas fought a good fight
3. Douglas deserved the win
4. Tyson deserved the loss
5. It was not a matter of Tyson being overhyped
6. It was not a matter of Douglas being THAT good
7. It was a perfect storm of two men showing up in unusual form.
8. Does not necessarily reflect what would have happened under other circumstances.
9. None of the above are excuses. Just observations largely rooted in fact.

 

Your opinion

You keep repeating this but it's wrong. Tyson went to the body several times against Hoylfield.

That is also your opinion that Tyson would beat Hoylfield. There is honestly not a lot of evidence Tyson could ever have beaten Hoylfield.

Tyson's defense and head movement are overrated. Even in the 80's he got tagged plenty of times. He was inconsistent with it.

No he didn't. Foreman didn't telegraph his punches. He only swung wide when he knew his opponent was badly hurt.

If Douglas took Tyson out then Foreman has a chance. See how that works?

No he doesn't. Tyson isn't half the fighter Ali was.

 

Without belaboring all this any more, are you saying the first Bruno fight did not happen at all?

Because that was less than a year before the Douglas fight.

(I’m not going to bother again explaining that fighters having training camps for each fight, so he had three in a year — plus a few weeks since the Bruno camp would have started slightly outside a strict 365-day window. You do concede that he probably sparred for his fights, including Williams, don’t you … I mean maybe that’s why he didn’t show any rust against Williams.)

 

Foreman wasn't at his best when he fought Lyle. He was coming off a loss and a layoff and had lost his confidence and he still won. Foreman got off the floor to win, something Tyson never did in his entire career Foreman had the same excuses Tyson had: he had fired his trainers that he relied on throughout his career, but he decided to deal with adversity and found a way to win.

Not that Foreman would end up on the ground against Tyson anyways. He batters him outside of Tyson having a punchers chance.

Ali won fights with bruised ribs, broken jaws, hand fractures, messed up shins, being past his prime, came back to win fights he was losing, and beat better opponents. In no way shape or form was Tyson the better fighter. The only things Tyson had over Ali was punching power and close quarters combinations. Ali's heart was 10x the size of Tyson's.

Here's your hero confessing the truth:

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he was good fighter. not unbeatable. lot of hype around surrounding him. was always. this is good managers & they hook media & for a while Tyson is winning so myth of unbeatable is created. this here you are still talking of now, after his loss. incredible myth. good fighter very good fighter.