Was Prime Mike Tyson Unbeatable?

Yes, when someone makes excuses I say they're making excuses. Tyson fans are horrible in this area. And I've said that Tillis was unranked when he faced Tyson and second rate - i e not among the best of the 80's contenders. I've also called him a seasoned veterean. And there's no disputing that any of this is true.

You're lashing with out "hater" and "discrediting" because you're out of arguments, and that's the sign of a very poor poster. Which every post even seen from you so far have shown you to be. And with that, good bye.

 

So Tillis was unranked and Tyson was 19yrs old so I think thats fair. And ranked or not Tillis was still a game fighter.
The question was is if Tyson was unbeatable and the answer is yes because he was unbeaten. Thats the whole definition of the word. Tyson never lost while with his original team.
It was only untill Tyson got brainwashed with King and dumped his original team he became beatable.
These are facts.

 

by saying the Bruno fight happens “ less than a year “ earlier, what are we talking about, a few days ? A week? He fought Bruno in February of 1989 and fought Douglas in February of 1990. In my book that’s basically a full year. If you want to say that he fought Bruno 350 days earlier and not 365, then fine. But that’s really grabbing at straws.

 

No, to say a year is 11 1/2 months is grabbing at straws.

When exactly did the rust kick in from that fight? The previous calendar year since it was February?

 

I would say it's arguable that Mercer is tougher than Tyson, mentality wise i'd say so although at times Mercer's mind wasn't always on the job. Chin wise ? i'd say there's not that much between them, Tyson took tremendous beatings before he was stopped, and also ate huge punches from a big puncher like Ruddock without flinching.

Well Mercer as i stated earlier was dropped by Holyfield, so i wouldn't say he took Holyfield's power "all night" unscathed. He got hurt in the 8th round quite badly. And then fought more defensive and still looked hurt from the 8th round knockdown, as Holyfield clearly swept all the rounds from then on. So that goes to show despite Mercer having a very good chin, he could still be hurt and floored.

Mercer had more than just a few off nights though, even in shape he struggled against Ferguson in the rematch. Got a gift vs Marion Wilson, got schooled by an ancient Larry Holmes, got another gift vs an ancient Tim Witherspoon. Fair play to Mercer for his performance vs Lewis, but again he lost that fight.

I just don't personally see that Mercer has the style to beat Tyson, Mercer was a bit of a plodder and very easy to hit. The fighters who beat Tyson or troubled him Mercer doesn't have these attributes, Tyson showed against Ruddock who hit harder than Mercer, that he could go 12 rounds and take punishment and win a tough fight, so i don't quite see your argument that "Mercer could drown Tyson late". And to counter that argument how many fighters did Mercer stop late aswell ? it's not like Mercer is known for his late KO power either, the only fighter i remember him stopping in the 2nd half of the fight, was vs Damiani which was a bit of freak occurrence the way the uppercut landed on the nose.

Mercer would be taking alot of punishment, and unlike Morrison who had a weak chin. Tyson wouldn't be getting stopped early, he would be punishing Mercer to the body and head with vicious fast combinations. And no i don't think it's out of the question that Mercer gets stopped on his feet, but i'll go with Tyson by UD.

 

if Tyson at ~70% couldn't deal with Lewis' jab there's no way he could deal with Ali's jab at 100%/prime, Ali whooped Liston twice which would be an enormous mental obstacle for Tyson

imagine a young Tyson handling these situations...

making it in the military, and the pressure of fighting Schmeling in 1938 (Louis), what's funny is that Jimi Hendrix got an honorable discharge and still earned his Screaming Eagles airborne patch, I don't see Tyson even doing that good, he would mouth off too much and maybe even try to fight a DI definitely ends up with a dishonorable

being talked to and treated like a slave while on a job as a youngster (Frazier), Frazier actually stared the guy down and the guy broke and walked away, there's no way Tyson doesn't handle this situation with his fists, could Tyson have gone to the olympics as an alternate and took gold with a broken thumb

without Cus Tyson breaks way too easily, and even with Cus in his corner how do you think Tyson's head would handle fighting someone Cus himself said he can't beat (Louis, Foreman)

 

holyfield beats mike 9/10 any time in their careers

 

Arguments? Lashing out? Dont be so dramatic.
Im fine with continuing the debate but it looks like your the one looking for an out. Im fine with that too. Looks like u lost

 

1. lol.. ok so 14 days shy of a year isn’t a year.. get desperate much ? Haha. No wonder you had to include the Douglas fight as a fight he had gong INTO the Douglas fight

2. Actually there were people who were already talking about him declining during and after the first Bruno fight and for reasons I already gave you in previous replies. You obviously weren’t around then to know what was being said or what the views were

 

Yes Magoo, I was around. I remember people saying he looked bad against Bruno but it was literally ONE fight. People were not saying he had irreversibly degraded to a lower state and would never be the same again. Fighters often have off nights. Show me a link to where ‘people’ were saying ‘it’s a matter of time now, Tyson’s shot, basically done at the top level, he will never be a top heavyweight again.’ You can’t.

A year is 365 days. I know it’s been a while since we’ve been in school, but I remembered that one. The only desperation is from you not wanting to include it because it didn’t fit your narrative even though it was less than a year earlier. Are you really arguing that 11 1/2 months is a year? THAT is desperate.

Please go find where I said ‘going into’ the fight and if I did, I was wrong. What I said repeatedly I’m pressure sure is he had four fights in 18 months (ok it was 20, but the guy who is arguing that 11 1/2 months is a year should be more forgiving) and three times in one year … and that is active.

He wasn’t sitting on the sidelines forever and he wasn’t going to be fighting every three weeks as champ, lol. If he couldn’t adjust to only fighting three times a year, he wasn’t much to begin with considering how many have successfully fought at a high level on less activity. You act like he was inactive for years and rusty as if coming out of prison (that was later) and want to use that as YET ANOTHER excuse. It’s really quite sad.

 

Oh im desperate and fabricating a narrative because I consider February to February a year lol. Seriously dude.
Yes he was rusty.
yes he was poorly trained.
yes his head wasn’t fully in boxing.
Yes his change in management effected him.
yes his corner did a terrible job throughout the course of that fight.
Yes he was in with a fighter who was prepared to take advantage of these things
Yes he was still in his prime at age 24
Yes he went through training camps for all his previous fights like you say
Yes he didn’t always make the best of them
Yes things might have been different if none of the above happened or were true.

 

Are you seriously still arguing that from Feb. 25, 1989, to Feb. 11, 1990, is less than a year? I’m not sure if there’s a cognitive problem here or absolutely it’s desperate to argue those two fights did not take place within a year of each other.

So did they or did they not? It’s as yes-or-no as a question can get. And you’re the one saying I’m desperate for knowing how a calendar works, so please answer that one.

If you seriously are saying a guy with four title fights in 20 months and three in one CALENDAR YEAR (less than 365 days) was suffering from rust, I don’t know what to say — yes the third one was at the end of that time but with two previously in that 365-day period if that’s rust then I guess we give a pass to everyone who had even taken six or nine months off because lord knows how they could even hold their hands up, lol.

 

I consider it a year because most people would round out the shortage of a couple weeks to a year and I consider one calendar month of one year to the same calendar month of another year as a YEAR.. Jesus I never thought I’d be arguing this with someone. But since I’m secure in my belief that Tyson was not ideally active I’ll say this - Tyson had only fought once in the last 351 days. I’m fine with that position. No big deal.