Was quarry vs chuvalo a case of a bad referee ruining a great fight

No I think it was bad judgement by Quarry in staying with the count he IMO waiting until the ref says 9 is rolling the dice...he was not struggling with Chuvalo it was a fairly easy fight for his style and he took harder punches from other fighter he got hit in the sweet spot and screwed up you can hear the time keeper say 10 as he starting to stand......the question is why didn't he rematch him?

 

They could have but I think most people saw it the way you did.

 

Quarry just lost, but moved on to much bigger fights in his career.

 

I've seen this fight a bunch of times and every time Quarry is still down when the ref says 10

 

Bad decision on Jerry's part; shouldn't have stayed on one knee that long. May HAVE been a little light headed and didn't pick up the count correctly. Have always viewed this fight as an anomaly as Jerry had George a bloody mess at the time and ready for the ref to step in with two or three more clean shots on Chuvalo.

 

I don't see this fight as a fluke, but even if you do, the fault is entirely Quarry's. The referee did nothing wrong.

 

Lol at the people saying he was struggling and the fight was even. Two cards had Quarry leading comfortably at 4-1-1 the other card had it 3-3 (gee I wonder whose card that was) and that score is atrocious. Quarry was kicking his ass and had his face busted up. The fight would have been stopped in a round or two. The ringside physician had already stepped in to examine Chuvalos eye before rd 6 and it didnt get in better in that round. They were signed for a rematch on the undercard of Frazier-Ellis and guess who pulled out never to face Quarry again... Chuvalo. Ive said if they fought 10 times Quarry would 9 it just so happens this was that one fluke Chuvalo won.

 

What are some other "anomaly" type fights that you consider complete aberrations?

 

"the other card had it 3-3 (gee I wonder whose card that was)"

It wasn't the referee's. He was interviewed by Don Dunphy in the ring and Dunphy asked him about his scoring, and he stated he had Quarry ahead 4-1-1 after six.

I just re-watched the tape a couple of days ago, and I frankly don't understand the two 4-1-1 scores. I had Chuvalo ahead, actually 5-2 including the 7th (which ended with one second remaining). Those two officials must have ignored body punching entirely, but Chuvalo's body work I think took a lot out of Quarry. Dunphy himself emphasized late in the fight that despite the facial damage it was still anybody's fight and Chuvalo was scoring heavily. And not just to the body. I thought the best punch prior to the KO blow was the left hook to the chin which stunned Quarry in the 3rd.

"The fight would have been stopped in a round or two."

That is possible, but eye damage doesn't automatically mean a man is and/or was always losing badly. There are many fights in which swelling or a cut stops a man on his way to a victory. One thing for certain, though. Chuvalo was still doing well off what I saw right to the end and I think it possible he might have lasted if the swelling didn't get too bad.

One thing is for certain, though. The fault at the end was Quarry's, not the ref's, and implying Clayton was biased toward Chuvalo as this post implies, raises a lot of questions about the observer's judgment.

 

Anyone who had Chuvalo winning that fight needs to go back to judging school. I havent read a single ringside report that Chuvalo even close to winning. Like I said, the 3-3 score was a disgrace. Having Chuvalo ahead with five rounds under his belt is insane.

The fight was on the verge of being stopped. His eye was in very bad shape, one ringside report called it "grotesque" and as I said, prior to the last round the ring doctor had already had a look and it got worse during the round. Chuvalo himself admitted after the fight that Quarry was nailing him in the eye, targeting it the whole round. Regardless it doesnt matter because Quarry got stopped and my point was that the fight wasnt close and certainly Chuvalo wasnt giving Quarry "problems". That assertion is silly. I absolutely think it was a fluke and stand by that. Quarry was one of the toughest, most durable fighters in the division at that time outside of his issues with cuts. Who did Chuvalo ever stop at HW? Outside of Quarry Chuvalos only two notable stoppage wins were against Ramos (and I dont consider that notable) and Doug Jones, a blown up LHW. He never stopped anyone of Quarrys size, calibre, and durability. And for his part Quarry was never stopped off his feet. In fact every fight he got dropped in he got up and beat the hell out of the other guy. So yeah, in a fight Quarry was clearly winning, had busted his opponents face up, was on the verge of getting a stoppage and somehow gets dropped by a weird glancing left hook high on top of the head and then gets counted out after voluntarily taking a knee and arising at 10 to protest the count, then the opponent runs out on a signed scheduled rematch never to return, yeah, it was a fluke. Im totally comfortable with that assessment.

Im not arguing that Quarry didnt blow it. I think he did. I dont think he should have taken that knee. I think he was up at "10" and I wouldnt argue if he were waved off or not. Ive seen fighters arise at "10" just like he did and they let them continue. But to pretend Zach Clayton was as pure as the driven snow is ridiculous. That guy was well known as one of the dirtiest referees of that era. Go ask any promoter who worked with him and they will tell you he always had his hand out willing to sell favors in exchange for money. You can go down throughout his career and see he was always turning in weird scorecards. On split decisions he was almost always the minority vote. On unanimous decisions his card often wildly diverged from the other two judges. I wont even name names on some of the stories a promoter friend of mine told me about him because I dont want to put him on the spot. Regardless, its laughable to paint Clayton as above reproach.

 

I have to rewatch that fight I only remember the end but from what we know of Quarry (solid Chin) and Chuvalo was strong but not a killer puncher, the fight was a freak ending, possibly Quarry to blame but if these guys fought 10 X I dont think you would see that ending again. Now I have to rewatch it when I find the time.

 

It was a close fight. Chuvalo was coming on. Quarry got dropped hard and didn't beat the count. The end.

 

Your an idiot. It was a close fight all day long.

 

"I'm not arguing that Quarry didn't blow it."

Hard to see what point you're making then. Both Clayton and Dunphy explained after the fight that there was no real reason at all to take a knee. Quarry would have gotten a standing eight count. Quarry either lost his head in a crisis, or was not quite together after being hit.

I can't really hear the count on the film over the crowd, but off my admittedly not foolproof lip-reading, Clayton says eight, nine, and ten. Better evidence is from Dunphy who says he was right next to what was happening and agreed with Clayton in the post fight interview that he heard the count and the "ten."

"he was always turning in weird scorecards"

I agree, like having Quarry ahead 4-1-1 after six rounds. But would you explain why if Clayton took money from the Chuvalo camp to have George win on a quick count, he had Quarry so far ahead on his score card? Apparently off your view George just paid Clayton for quick counts while paying only one judge to put him ahead.

"runs out on a signed" rematch

Boxrec reports this was on medical advice as his eye hadn't fully healed. I think Chuvalo went on to fight Foreman. It seems odd to me to duck Quarry and fight Foreman, but then I'm not into Quarry as a super-fighter like some seem to be.

"He never stopped anyone of Quarry's size, calibre, and durability."

Oh yes he did. The guy was Jerry Quarry. It can be argued with almost everyone that he never stopped anyone else as big as his biggest victim, or as good as his best victim. Ends up a circular argument. I think Chuvalo had 64 KO's in 93 fights, so he certainly could punch.

Got up at ten,

Quarry got up after the count of ten.

As for Clayton's corruption, I don't take anonymous sources seriously. But if he had this rep, why did neither Quarry nor Chuvalo reject him as the referee?