Was RJJ at 168lbs the most unbeatable fighter ever?

I don’t think he had a particularly weak chin.

Who did he avoid?

 

Behave.

Collins was limited.

He wasn’t getting a razor thin decision over a faded Eubank at SMW and then going up to LHW to easily beat McCallum with his limited skill set.

Even though Roy easily beat him in 1996, you could see that his skills were still evident.

You also saw that against Toney.

Why didn’t Collins steamroller him when he was younger at MW?

 

Who scraped by a faded Eubank and who looked poor against Frederic Seillier.

 

Yeah there were also his controversial decisions over Close, and he admits himself he lost to Benn. He could have gone into the fight with Collins with 3 defeats. He also had a hectic schedule. He fought twice before their rematch.

Nigel Benn was shot.

I’m not denying that Collins wasn’t tough. He was a warrior with a great chin. As was Eubank. But his toughness wasn’t enough.

Mike was a crafty vet. He could stay out of trouble. He was too cute to get beaten up by a guy like Collins.

 

Are you for real!?

 

McCallum was 40 years old!!

Shocking.

 

I don't even know where to start with your nonsense.

There was no razor thin decision over Eubank, he won 11 out of 12 rounds. And he was a far better fighter than the weight-drained novice who fought a peak McCallum. I'm not going to keep repeating myself, but a shot fat McCallum is not keeping off a weight-strong primed Collins; ludicrous.

Jones carried Mike in there, he had too much respect for him.

 

Completely dominated Eubank at his very best. He was too big and strong at that weight, and would've been even stronger at 175.

 

Are you?

What did Steve Collins ever do to convince you that he could easily have beaten Mike McCallum at LHW?

He was a warrior for sure.

He had huge heart and a great chin. But he was limited. He scraped by Eubank.

You don’t scrape by Eubank and poor against Seillier, and then go up and steamroller a guy who’s never been steamrollered, even when facing prime versions of Roy Jones and James Toney.

 

'Controversial' yes due to boxing experts and qualified judges like Barney Eastwood, Frank Warren and Don King screaming. Get real. And Collins fought nothing like Close, was nothing like Close. Fought nothing like Benn, was nothing like Benn. Your theories don't make sense.

Eubank spent a grand total of 90 seconds in the ring between the two Collins fights, without having to make 12st. This was an extremely lean 28 year old in his sporting prime..... Not a 40 yo fattened out, watered up light middle.

 

He was 39 and still a top level fighter with his great technical skills.

He was too good even at that stage to be steamrollered.

 

McCallum was 40 years old! Carrying a fat tummy. A complete shadow of his 1984 self! If you don't see or realise this then I can't engage you anymore because it's pointless. We're not talking about Fabrice Tiozzo here, we're talking Steve Collins!

He clearly dominated Eubank. What fight were you watching!??

 

He wasn't big or strong or young enough. It is a mismatch. Collins would've had far too much respect for him than to ever consider fighting him. Jones carried him

 

YOU YOURSELF think that Collins LOST the first fight against Eubank in Ireland.

You have said that.

Yes, he clearly won the rematch.

Mike was faded, not shot.

Collins was limited technically.

It’s a fantasy to think he’d have just moved up and beat him with ease.

It’s based on absolutely nothing.

 

Behave.

He couldn’t dominate Eubank in their first fight in front of his own fans.

How on earth could Eubank have been at his very best?

You know that’s nonsense.