Was RJJ at 168lbs the most unbeatable fighter ever?

He claims he was. No reason to disbelieve him. He looked incredible in training. Better than ever 9 months before against Wharton. No shame in not dominating Chris Eubank in a chess match, blimey. Was that even possible

 

It's based on McCallum being an old man. Collins had him running away in the last few rounds at his worst, walking right through his punches. Gave away the first five trying to box McCallum. He'd of been 5x stronger at 175.

Nobody had McCallum run away bar Collins. He was the strongest fighter in boxing. Maybe the hardest man ever. Wilts on his ribs after the Mike fight and smiling! Benn caught him with his biggest left hook, with the full leverage into it - it looked like the biggest punch Benn had ever thrown; slow-mo replays showed Collins didn't blink.

 

What I’ve said makes perfect sense.

Eubank was never the same after the awful tragedy with Watson.

We both know that.

He’s said it himself numerous times.

It’s common knowledge.

I never said that Collins had a similar style to Close etc. What I’m saying, is that Steve Collins did not fight the best versions of Chris Eubank.

The Watson fight and his hectic schedule took a lot out of him.

Yes, his 2 fights in between his fights with Collins only lasted a few seconds. But he still had 2 camps didn’t he.

His rematch with Collins was his 4th fight in 6 months.

 

Eubank claimed he was back to the pre-Watson Eubank for Collins II, willing to end Steve's life to win his title back.

 

I don’t care how old he was.

Go and look at his fights against Roy and Toney at the end of his career.

It’s the same with Toney.

Toney carried huge weight and went and fought top 10 HW’s. Yet he didn’t get knocked out. Because like Mike, his skills carried him through.

Steve Collins just going up with his youth and his heart wasn’t enough.

He wasn’t fast.

He didn’t have huge one shot knockout power in either hand.

He was a warrior, but with skills that didn’t match Mike’s.

Nobody ever steamrollered Mike McCallum.

 

A mismatch?

Ha!

Based on nothing.

 

He’s claimed the opposite on numerous occasions, and fighting 4 times in 6 months wasn’t ideal.

 

Nobody is doubting his toughness.

You can’t just steamroller a guy like Mike on toughness though.

He was a crafty vet.

He was one of the most skilled fighters of all time.

 

No he hasn't.

 

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He looked a total shadow of himself against Jones and Toney III. And Jones and Toney weren't Collins, they weren't steamrollers or punch-takers, or as big or strong. You're really struggling to digest that a chubby, watery McCallum is not the 1984 version. He shouldn't of been in the ring at that age, but didn't make enough money in his career and so Jones gave him a pay day and carried him.

 

I agree, in his prime at his natural weight (154).

 

I love watching Roy.
Have literally zero against him.
I don't for one minute think he personally was scared of Steve Collins, that's silly, I do think his team weren't as confident as Collins' was though.

Collins made himself available multiple times.
He genuinely wanted to fight RJJ and constantly made it known.

Instead Roys team set him up fights with Tony Thornton and Eric Lucas at SMW.

I would bet money on Roy winning, but it doesn't change the fact one party desperately wanted this fight, and the other tried to talk it down.

Rarely do fights not happen because of the fighters.
Roy's team ducked Collins', that's clear to me.

 

You know he has.

He’s always claimed that he was never the same after Watson.

It took away his killer instinct.

It had a huge psychological effect on him.

Being Eubank’s biggest fan, was Collins good enough to have beaten the version of Eubank who beat Michael Watson, 11 rounds to 1?

Collins wasn’t good enough to have beaten a prime version of Eubank by a margin like that.

The fact that Collins beat Eubank so easily in the rematch should tell you that Eubank wasn’t at his best.

 

No disrespect to John Ruiz or Sam Peter, but that's not Steve Collins. Hideous comparison. They were so slow, it was easy pickings for JT. And McCallum isn't Toney, with that lovely shoulder roll in the pocket. Silly talk all-around.