Was RJJ vs Tarver 1, RJJ's greatest win?

He lost his legs in the process but he still has enough to beat decent competition and since most are thinking B-Hop will more or less, have a walk in the park with what they consider being a totally shot "Jones", then I'm happy to say we'll have to give many props to RJJ when he beats him again.

 

If Jones actually beat Hopkins again, everyone would conveniently forget even implying that he was shot.

 

I have never believed Jones was "shot", obviously he's nothing like he was in his prime, but he still has something left to compete with top boxers.

 

It was a good win but I still think his wins over Hopkins and specially Toney were better.

But yeah people forget everything about his win against Tarver. Also you can tell he wasn't what he used to be but was still pretty good to beat a top contender.
I just wish he would already retire, he got nothing else to prove.

 

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It's a fair point - It was at the time the deepest Roy had been taken and he pulled it out in the chmpionship rounds.

 

definitely, george foreman (always prone to exagherration) compared his fatigue in the mid rounds to robinson's against maxim. while i think that is a stretch you could tell jones, for the first time in his life, fought HARD the last 2 rounds because he doubted the decision. not because he felt like it, cause he had to. he showed mother****ing heart and the ability to dig deep, which is impressive considering how far he got on pure skill alone before that fight

 

This fight was far from his best win. For one, he barely deserved it. For two, it signaled the beginning of the end of a brilliant career. The fight just before it, against Ruiz (it WAS for a heavyweight title) by itself towers over his victory against Tarver, who went on to do nothing afterwards except beat Roy a couple more times. Hell, let's even throw in a brutal Glenn Johnson knock out for good measure. But like I said, the decline had already started. He's got victories over Hopkins (future legend), Toney, McCallum and that awesome rematch and dismantling of Montell Griffin.

 

that's exactly why the win is so impressive. he could win purely on skill anymore. he showed the things that people doubted: heart, will to win and guts. it's those intangibles that the great ones had and he proved he had them in spades

 

It just depends on how you look at it. The heart, will to win and guts are things that one should expect from a fighter. These are intangibles that Jones had the whole time, whether the people knew it or not. His past performances were so far superior to his opponents' that he did not have to dig down deep. He left that to the average fighters. If we are ranking this fight according to the intagibles that you mentioned, then there is no argument. Tarver is the one who made him dig down deep and show those intangibles. Still, the argument for Tarver winning that fight in the first place could easily be made. "Got any excuses tonight Roy?"

 

He's as shot as Pablo Escobar. Beating Jeff Lacey doesn't prove anything except that he's still competent.

 

Pretty much. Same goes for Jermain Taylor.

 

Roy should have retired after the Tarver win. He had made history once again by being the first fighter in 100 years to win the middleweight title, the heavyweight title and then go back to win the light heavyweight title. It was the perfect time to retire. Now, he's chasing that former glory so he can go out with his pride. A win over Hopkins would be the perfect way to do that. Hopkins wants to put Jones out - so it will be interesting to see how that fight unfolds - provided that it actually happens as planned.

 

Tyson was shot when he faced McBride.
Ali was shot when he fought Hlmes.

Neither Roy nor Jermain are shot.

Neither one, ESPECIALLY Roy, is what they once were.

But they're both still in the top ten of their weight class.

Much depends on your definition of shot.