Was Roy Jones overated ??

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tyson wasn't far superior at anything p4p. Mike actually missed wildly more often, but judging from people like you go on about him nobody watches his whole fights anymore, just highlights where he doesn't miss a punch and never get hit.
     
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  2. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    lol! Tyson was the most skilled finisher in heavyweight history and was far more skilled than Jones P4P despite Jones amazing speed.
     
  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Again, I think Roy gets a bit harshly done by in how he supposedly cherry picked and all. If he had beaten Liles, Collins and DM not a word could be said against his resume at SMW and LHW for ten years straight. That's three good fighters, but not in any way exceptional, that stands between him and ten years of perfect resume.

    SRR never beat guys like Burton, Larkin and Fernandez at WW or Dauthille and Sands at MW, but you don't hear anything of him cherry picking. Yes, there wasn't a natural opponent like DM out there for him that he didn't face, but even he didn't face every Liles and Collins out there.
     
  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tyson was a more fundamentally sound fighter, yes, but Jones impressed me even more as a finisher p4p. He was without a doubt the better overall fighter p4p imo.
     
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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No way, Tyson would have opened Malinga up far quicker than Jones did.
     
  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You missed the "p4p" bit.
     
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    The positive drugs test and dramatic decline in his career that followed it are the short comings that occur to me.
     
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  8. wutang

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    No. You dont make it as far a he did being overrated. His style doesnt age well though so his decline makes him seem more vulnerable than he really was in his prime. We all know he was shaky in the whiskers, but his reflexes were so good in his prime, it barely made a difference. I'm really not much of an rjj fan, but I have to give the man his dues. He was never some protected fighter who only fought cans - he faced real competition.
     
  9. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    It was hard to lay a glove on Roy Jones. At his peak he was Willie Pep with power. His decline was so abrupt. Only thing I noticed back at that time was that he was laying on the ropes more often than he had in his prime. When his legs went they didnt waste any time.
     
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    Feel quite free to illustrate the numerous times prime Jones was countered when going for the finish please. Obviously there are numerous examples.

    No-one would be silly enough to make this claim because they thought he "looked" open and it just didn't happen.
     
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  11. JohnThomas1

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    So what? Tyson would have opened him up a long time before the vast majority of ATG's would have. That was his style and strength. Does it make him any better than the Ali's, Robinson's, Whitaker's, Monzon's etc? Tyson was full on aggression, Jones was a boxer/puncher.
     
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    That's it in a nutshell. Until he tailed off fast and capitulated there's just nothing else to grab hold of hence detractors having to pillage ever bit they can out of it.
     
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    Bingo mate.
     
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    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson was a HW and Jones dusted off Malings with one devastating LH.

    Comparing apples and oranges.
     
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  15. META5

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    Hmmm,

    Tyson was superior with jab, body to head combinations and throwing correctly after a shift. I find prime Tyson to be a superior at cutting the ring and using sound defence whilst on the offensive. He also had a much stronger chin p4p.

    Funnily enough, I find Tyson and RJJ to be exactly the same type of puncher. Heavy handed and exceptionally fast. The difference being in their styles and in-ring attitude. RJJ more wanton to demonstrating his superior athleticism rather than going for the kill from the first bell and after the McClellan - Benn fight, fighting within his ability often. Prime Mike, more wanton to taking his opponent out as quickly and brutally as possible.

    Common misconception is that RJJ had a glass jaw. RJJ took some punches in his career and we only really saw durability issues after he came back down to face Tarver.

    RJJ in his prime is a fantastic whirlwind of speed, reflex and confidence. He is arguably top 2 H2H from 160 - 175 lbs of all time. However, there are aspects of his career that will always cause doubts over his fortitude when he squared up with the absolute best of the best that have the chin, smarts and speed to adjust to him and start finding his jaw with their own arsenal.
     
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