Was Roy Jones overrated?

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I thought this might be of interest to you as I've heard whispers on here that you're somewhat of a fan of Roy.

    Some edits (or rather corrections) to the article might have taken place but I'm not going to grass the guilty party up :D


    'In his prime Roid Jones Jr. was a sight to behold. His otherworldly steroid enhanced speed, reflexes and superior ability helped him procure world titles in four weight classes, and he was the first man in over 100 years to win a world title at middleweight and heavyweight.

    Jones was born in Pensacola, Florida, and began boxing at a young age. He went on to represent the U.S. at the 1988 Seoul Olympics where he received silver after being unapologetically robbed of gold against Korean representative Park Si-Hun.

    “It was the worst judging ever in the history of Olympic boxing,” Jones Jr. told THE RING. “To me, it’s why boxing in the Olympics in this country has gone down. How can you beat someone so bad and don’t get the gold medal, and they don’t go back and fix it?” *Most if not all of the Korean's opponent's in those Olympics were robbed in their fights against him*

    After going 121-13 in the amateurs *one of said 13 loses was a KO loss to a featherfisted Irishman named John Reid*, Jones made his way to the professional ranks. By mid-1993, the future hall-of-famer had worked himself into position to fight for the vacant IBF middleweight title against a then-unknown Bernard Hopkins. Jones won a 12-round unanimous decision on the undercard of Olympic teammate Riddick Bowe’s heavyweight title defense against Jesse Ferguson in Washington.

    After demolishing the highly-respected Thomas Tate in his sole defense, Jones stepped up to super middleweight to face a badly weight drained IBF titleholder James Toney, who was thought by many to be the finest pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.

    The weight-drained walking cadaver version of Toney proved no match for Jones who comprehensively outboxed his rival. While waiting for his next big challenge, the new pound-for-pound superstar made five successful defenses and barely lost a round. Such was his dominance that in the morning of his bout with Eric Lucas, Jones played professional basketball before defeating the future world titleholder that night.

    When fights with rival titleholders Nigel Benn and Steve Collins didn’t pan out after Roid ducked the hell out of them, Jones elected to step up to a third weight class and in short time won the WBC title.

    In March 1997, Jones was matched against the unbeaten Montell Griffin who proved to be technically troublesome. The fight was close until the ninth when a Jones assault forced Griffin to take a knee. Instead of stepping back, Jones tagged a downed Griffin with not one but two hellacious steroid bombs and was rightfully disqualified for the infringement.

    The defeat lit a fire under Jones, who ripped through Griffin in the opening round of a direct rematch. The former champion considers that to be the best win of his career.

    Jones added Dariusz Michalczewski's WBA and IBF light heavyweight titles to became recognized as undisputed champion after the Pole was disgracefully stripped of them (Dariusz Michalczewski held the then-lightly regarded WBO belt) and made 11 defenses of Michalczewski's belts over the next five years whilst ducking the fearsome punching Pole for years to come. He became a household name, appearing in films and commencing a rap career.

    In March 2003, Jones made a bold step up to heavyweight and easily defeated WBA titleholder John Ruiz.

    Looking back, Jones is exceptionally proud of two standout moments in his illustrious career.

    “The night I beat the man (a weight-drained James Toney) to be the man,” he said. “Then when I defied history and was the first man ever to turn pro at junior middleweight and win the heavyweight title off a talentless bum named John Ruiz.”

    Jones decided against staying at heavyweight and dropped back down to 175 pounds. However, losing the muscle he had packed on with the help of industrial amounts of steroids seemed to have a detrimental effect on the then-34-year-old veteran (lol utter nonsense). He was fortunate to receive a majority decision against Antonio Tarver but was sensationally stopped in the second round of a return fight. In his next outing, Jones was brutally knocked out by innocuous right hand from journeyman plodder Glen Johnson who couldn't punch his way through cobwebs that had been spun by gay spiders and Tarver was victorious in a rubber match.

    The once invincible Jones had lost three fights in succession, two of which via savage highlight reel stoppage to complete non punchers, since he came off the roids.

    “Tarver fought me at the right time after I lost all that weight,” Jones explained. “He had an uncoordinated style, it’s not like he had a high IQ. He closed his eyes (when he delivered the knock down punch in fight two) – what’s that tell you? Caught me at the right time and shattered my disgusting old lady glass-jaw all over Mandalay Bay Resort”

    Jones went on to outpoint former three-weight world titleholder Felix Trinidad in early 2008 and later that year and met a shot to smithereens Joe Calzaghe whose hands were in such a terrible state he could only throw 1 or 2 medium strength punches per fight and had to wear specially designed custom made gloves to protect them by that stage of his career for THE RING and lineal light heavyweight championships. Calzaghe recovered from a first-round knockdown from an illegal clothesline forearm to win a wide decision over the ex-champion.

    “Joe was the busiest guy I fought,” Jones recalled. “I never met anyone more busy than Joe. He just stayed busy. He didn’t have the fastest hands, he didn’t have the strongest punches, he was just busy as hell. You don’t find a fighter who stays as busy as Joe Calzaghe – ever.”

    Jones maintains that if they met years earlier when he was juiced out of his mind on more steroids than the Chinese female weightlifters Olympic team he’d have won: “I dropped him with a shot that wasn’t even that clean,” he said. “If I’d fought him in the 90s, I think I’d have knocked him out.”

    Jones continued his career up at cruiserweight until earlier this year, although he only ever showed flashes of his once-brilliant form in that weight class. He retired with a record of 66-9, 47 knockouts.

    “Best I’ve ever seen,” said Jones when asked how good he was in his prime. “I’ve never seen anybody do the things I did in a boxing ring: hands behind my back knocking people out, 13 left hooks (in a row). I hit Reggie Johnson with a left hook and straight right hand so fast that they landed on the same side of his face. How do you do that? Who do you ever see do that? Nobody. Go back and watch the highlights yourself.”

    Jones, now 49, is married and has six children. He works for HBO as a color commentator and also has his own promotional company, Square Ring.

    The former champ graciously took time to speak to THE RING about the best he fought in 10 key categories.

    BEST JAB
    VIRGIL HILL:
    The best jab I think I faced was of Virgil Hill. His jab was the hardest punch he threw. He’d hit you on top of the head every time he threw it, and it was quick on top of that.

    BEST DEFENSE
    JAMES TONEY:
    James Toney probably had the best defense of all of them. You couldn’t hit him flush; he was so elusive, the hip movement and the shoulder roll made it very difficult to hit him with a clean shot.

    FASTEST HANDS
    VINNY PAZIENZA:
    He had faster hands than most of the guys I fought. He wasn’t powerful because he came up from the lighter weights. He thought he was faster than me, but he wasn’t.

    BEST FOOTWORK
    ROLLIN WILLIAMS:
    He had the best foot movement of anyone I faced. He was so hard to hit. It took me five rounds for me to hit him because of his foot movement. The normal punches I threw, I couldn’t hit him with.

    BEST CHIN
    JORGE CASTRO:
    Jorge Castro by far. You could hit him with the kitchen sink and he kept coming. I hit him with everything including the kitchen sink and still just kept coming.

    SMARTEST
    BERNARD HOPKINS
    : He had a real good ring IQ. He was able to study the first fight and get it right for the second fight and use the IQ to keep it where it was harder to attack the second time.

    STRONGEST
    MERQUI SOSA:
    Merqui Sosa was a very powerful guy. You couldn’t push him back; he didn’t give up anything in the ring. I had to get him out of there early. He was very strong and wasn’t planning on going nowhere.

    BEST PUNCHER
    SOSA:
    Merqui missed me with a shot that almost buckled my knees. If that had landed it would have been different. I was like, ‘Wow, this guy’s trying to kill you!’ I went to work on him after that and got the fight over. Tarver had good punching power, but he didn’t punch harder than Merqui Sosa.

    BOXING SKILLS
    MIKE McCALLUM:
    Probably Mike McCallum, the ‘Body Snatcher’. Even as an older guy, he was very smart – had very high-class boxing skills.

    BEST OVERALL
    TONEY:
    He had all the tools, he was hard to hit, he could knock you out at any time. He would be right there in your face and you still couldn’t hit him flush.

    lol at Roy not picking any of the fighters who beat him lol
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ha!

    The 'gay spiders' line killed me.
     
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  3. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    Definitely better than Mohamed Ali
     
  4. Consu

    Consu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well i wouldn't say overrated. It's more like his later career that ruins those early memories. We have never seen any other fighter who is physically that gifted. He was amazing in his prime, you can't compare him to anyone.
     
  5. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    is going from MW to HW titlewise overrated?
     
  6. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Good chin, he got dropped by a well past prime RJJ. Although JC was past it as well. Prime for prime very few match RJJ's combonation of skill and speed, not even JC. RJJ makes every opponent JC beat look like they took up the wrong sport. That includes the handsome Kessler. 2 of the 3 top wins fo JC were past prime Hopkins and RJJ himself. In otherwords, if JC impressed you against the opponents he beat, RJJ would have left you completely dumb founded in awe if he fought the same guys.
     
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  7. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    which is why the relatively diminutive (but best win on joes cv till kessler) robin reid arguably had him beat.
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ali would have beat Roy the same way he beat Foster who was moving up and Foster may have beaten Roy at light heavy or heavy, Ali had a chin and Roy didn`t.
     
  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Was John Ruiz overrated?!
     
  10. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Was he overrated?

    Say what you want, but how many HW's at the time were defeating John Ruiz as easily as Jones Jr did? Only Tua with his KO blitz got Ruiz out. Even Holyfield struggled w/ Ruiz
     
  11. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    he was a weak titlist.
     
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  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Holyfield was a lot older than Jones when he struggled with Ruiz, Lewis beat Holy a few years before when he was younger and Lennox would have toyed with Ruiz, the heavyweight division was in a bad state when Ruiz was a champ, no way could Roy win a world title if he was around now, all today`s title holders would toy with Ruiz, Roy wouldn`t have bothered moving up from light heavy if he was in his prime now.
     
  13. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    lol at you expecting him to mention guys who beat him when he was over the hill. His replies are completely honest, its not his fault that he was better at the time.

    with the waver of the DQ to Grif, but same difference.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    What about Calzaghe`s hand speed, surely he was faster than all of Roy`s other opponents.
     
  15. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Roy Jones Jr was a good fighter no doubt... but I believe his greatness eminated from his physical attributes that allowed him to dominate his opponents ...while he still had them.

    I dont believe peds give you speed and explosiveness thats not how it works.

    But when Roy tried to return to the ring in his old age he no longer had those physical advantages that he relied on so much.

    You have to have his gifts to understand his greatness and ability. It is a special feeling inside knowing that you are untouchable, faster and more powerful than your opponent that you never have any fear... that you can just toy with other boxers and knock them out at will.

    You feel like spiderman... and when you feel like that you get very creative with your boxing and become 'Great'

    Once your abilities are taken from you... you become average ... and your technique is not there because it was previously based on superspeed being available in order to be succesful.

    Evander was a great fighter all around... he could come back and fight in old age and still be a favourite because of his style and techniques that proved practical and timeless in the ring.