Was Roy Jones talking out his ass ?

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Not fair to Broner for Roy to publicize the drawbacks of Broner's D for the entire boxing world to hear. Besides, it's the fighter and his trainers' responsibility to figure out how to fight Broner.

 

However, RJJ was also connecting with lead right hands, rights to the body and feinting JT out of position. Floyd has never really fought someone with such a varied offence, certainly not someone with RJJ's speed.

 

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I think he just didn't want to toot his own horn about beating Toney.

 

if the true master of the shoulder roll, (george benton) was here he would tell you, single shots are very pointless, so if you jab, you will need a world class jab, the best way to beat this style imo, would be margarito/paul williams esk pressure, just constantly throw, u need a warrior for this one, the other way to beat it is to jab and move creating angles, srl/tommy hearns style. its an okay defencive style (anything has to be better than the kelly pavlik handcuff) but not unbeatable.feint a bolo to the body, come with a roundhouse left or a left cross/hook folo up with a right down the pipe,

 

Sugar ray leonard beat the shoulder roll by a good jab and the over hand right on floyd sr.

 

Bull ****… Tony was beat fair and square.. Tony had problem excepting his defeat and looked for excuses why he loss. Truth be told, Roy was too fast, too awkward, and too hard a puncher to allow Tony's style to be set.

Roy was just too fast for any trap Tony set for him and the shoulder roll style is based trapping and countering your opponent, Tony just could not do that with a fleet footed Roy.

 

It's also about levels too. A bad fighter with the shoulder roll still equals a bad fighter.

 

Shoulder roll isn't a perfect defence noobs. The stance can be a little ponderous and stiff. The low left means you're reliant on reactions which a fast puncher can exploit

Notice how Floyd gets tagged by quicker boxers and reverts to a full guard

Floyd's never been in with a left hook remotely of the calibre of RJJ's. Floyd's defence isn't perfect against the left hook either, he's been caught with straight lefts and left hooks

 

triple the jab and the overhand right
overhand right from mosley is probably the hardest shot floyds ever took

 

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People pointing to the Toney fight musta forgot the Harding fight. Roy struggled early against Harding, a slick Philadelphia southpaw. He made the adjustment to hit what he could. Straight right hand to the body, left hook to the lead arm. Jones had a huge part in the tearing of Harding's bicep which forced the stoppage.

Also a good fight in showing Roy's ability to adjust to the most difficult style to fight.

 

The problem with Broner's shoulder roll is he's so robotic and stiff, that the shoulder roll is rendered ineffective quite a bit. That and he backs up in straight lines with non elite reflexes.


Floyd's is so damn good because he's been doing most of his damn life. That and he's a special athlete.

 

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The issue with left hooks is that while fighter's the right hand is almost glued to the face to defend against them, the right is also a main weapon to parry consecutive left jabs. Anytime Cotto, Hatton, or Oscar landed their left hook, it was usually with jabs and feints drawing the right hand forward so they could loop around the guard. RJJ made James worry about straight punches coming in that he didn't expect that chicken move.

 

How many people have left hooks as good as prime Roy? I don't remember Oscar landing any meaningful hook on Floyd. Cotto(e) got one in the 5th round while Floyd was against the ropes, and I believe one more later. The best "hookers" Floyd has fought basically had their hooks become useless.

Str8 left is different punch from left hook.

I don't remember Oscar and Hatton landing any meaningful hooks.

While the left hook can become a tool against shoulder roll artists, it isn't the tool against Floyd Mayweather.

My stance has always been good right hand AND jab.

Castillo used the right hand well against Floyd. Cotto(e), who is a "hooker" and "converted", ended up relying on right hand for power punches. Tijuana, who was rumored to get the better of Floyd in sparring, is also right hand reliant.

Oscar's best shot of the fight came in the 11th round when Floyd was against the ropes, and he caught him with an overhand right. Then during the final 10 seconds of the fight when Floyd uncharacteristically brawled, Oscar got his free shot in in the form of a right.