was Scott Frank really that bad?

I thought he was awful when I first saw him fight Holmes, but in retrospect, he wasn't substantially worse than some of the others who fought him, let alone some of the others from that era.
He was game, and tough, but very crude. A less robust and smaller Tex Cobb?
I thought he got thumbed by Holmes, and it was sort of shrugged off as oh well he was going to lose anyway, which is not really acceptable, because that is not the point. Given that rational, Larry could have just clocked him before the bell to save time....
Anyway, I would put him as just under or just in the top 10 of his era at his best, and that is nothing to be ashamed of, he showed up which is better that I ever did

 

Not substantially worse than, but as bad as pretty much any but LeDoux.

 

Yes, let us at least agree that LeDoux owns the bottom of the barrel

Poor guy though died from ALS and that sucks big time, he seem like an ok fellow outside of his boxing skills, and he had courage. :thumbsup

 

Gerrie Coetzee was the real deal with his right. Very good pro, Mike Weaver had to beat some odds to Kayo him, Coetzee not great, take him lightly and he'll adjust your collar, like his dentist ,pun put teeth in at day, knock him out at nite

 

I see it this way as well.

 

Yes, Scott Frank was pretty awful.

People are getting confused perhaps because they didn't realize how crap Snipes was most of the time.
Snipes, I think, looked like a proper contender in two fights - against Witherspoon and against Berbick, and for about ten or twenty seconds of the Holmes fight. He looked like a flappy-armed club-fighter in most of his fights, tbh.
I guess he was an average fighter with an awkward style.

 

:good

 

yes, he was probably as good or a little better than some of the other weak Holmes challengers, but, your assertion in another thread that Pinklon Thomas wasn't any better than Frank is unfounded. Thomas showed improvement after the Coetzee draw. Just because Snipes "beat" Coetzee,Thomas drew Coetzee and Snipes drew with Frank, it doesn't man Thomas and Frank were equals.

 

Snipes was the only decent guy Frank fought, besides Holmes. So, Frank beat exactly NO contenders. The other contenders and alphabet champions you mentioned above fought better overall competition and have much better wins on their resume.

You're leaving out Thomas. He won an easy decision over Witherspoon after drawing with Coetzee.

 

No, he wasn't. Several worse guys got title shots at the time....Rodriguez, LeDoux, Zanon, etc. Holmes had no shame at all about defending against journeymen, or young prospects who weren't ready that he could ruin.

 

LeDoux had too many moments against good contenders to be considered garbage. Dropped Lyle, dropped Norton twice, drew with Spinks (who went on to defeat Evangelista), out-hustled a pretty good Marty Monroe. He wasn't great, but he was a bit more accomplished than he's given credit for being.

 

Renaldo Snipes was better in some fights than in others. Partly because of his style, or strategy. He was awkward.

Anyway, you could just as easily used Larry Holmes as the barometer for Scott Frank.
Holmes fought Frank less than 4 months after fighting Witherspoon, which had been a gruelling fight, and Holmes was 10 pounds heavier, in lesser condition .... if Frank was anywhere near Witherspoon you'd expect him to do better against Holmes than he did, no ?

Berbick went 15 rounds with Holmes. Frank went out in the 5th round.