was Scott Frank really that bad?

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I prefer to ask "was Scott Frank really that good?":think
     
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  2. Germanicus

    Germanicus Active Member Full Member

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    He was the heavyweight champion of New Jersey, so the best of New Jersey level heavyweights. Meaning he was barely good enough to be an ancient Chuck Wepner, in Wepner's last fight and draw with Renaldo Snipes. Beating Wepner and drawing with Snipes were his career best. Probably a good thing that he quit fighting when he did.
     
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  3. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Frank was a poor mans TeX Cobb...

    Snipes had an off night against Frank, and from what I remember from that fight a million years ago is that it was rough, and dirty, they should have rematched, and Snipes would have kicked his ass next time.

    Snipes also did much better against Holmes, than Frank did..

    Frank went as far as he could with his mediocre talent, and that's being generous.
     
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  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    No. That was no off night. Watch the fight again. If the most talented fighter in the world cannot discourage a half decent unbeaten guy who believes in himself they always get an "off night"

    http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=GB#/watch?v=Z7ZD-_ubevM


    I agree Frank went as far as he could with mediocre talent but his enthusiasm together with his mediocre talent still matched a prime Snipes.
     
    choklab, Jun 1, 2015
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  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    It's quite a list of fighters Snipes had close fights with. He beat Berbick who beat Thomas and Page. A Close fight with Witherspoon he could have won. Got a decision over Coetzee..who beat Dokes.
     
    choklab, Jun 1, 2015
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  6. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He looked very good against Trevor Berbick, probably would've had Trevor out by round 5 if he had tighted it up a bit.
     
    Titan1, Jun 27, 2015
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  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Snipes was decent. They were all decent. Even Frank. All those guys were of an equal level be they contender, prospect, belt Holder alike.

    With a multi belt system you get somewhat of a dilution effect. Each champ has to defend and with no unification insight there is no such thing as a logical contender. Guys begin to hit the ratings with too few fights.
     
    choklab, Jun 27, 2015
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  8. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's just too general of a statement to say "They were all of equal level."

    Just because Frank drew with Snipes, it does not follow that he would have been able to that well against everyone snipes beat or drew with, or lost a close decision to.

    I can see Pinklon Thomas, Greg Page, Trevor Berbick and Tim Witherspoon and Gerrie Coetzee all beating Frank.

    Saying Frank was on the same level as all those guys because he fought and drew with one of their common opponents is like saying S.T. Gordon was on their level because he beat Trevor Berbick.

    Gordon and Frank had one unexpectedly good performance against a good heavyweight.

    The other guys I mentioned were proven over a long period of time and fought all or most of their group.
     
    Saad54, Jun 27, 2015
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  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes I accept that point of view. Certainly the rest went on longer. They certainly lost enough to one another often enough to hardly tell one from another.

    Snipes beat Berbick, page beat both Berbick and Snipes but lost to Witherspoon who lost to Thomas who drew with Coetzee who lost to Snipes who drew with Scott Frank.

    Frank got a fight with Holmes, was beat convincingly inside the distance then retired from the scene. We will never know if Frank could have continued to opperate at that level or not but we do know that guys Holmes stopped with simular difficulty (in that he also stopped them) like Snipes, Bey and Smith did kind of opperate with some success within that group.

    I just think if Frank was so poor so was everyone else.
     
    choklab, Jun 28, 2015
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  10. FastHands(beeb)

    FastHands(beeb) Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I am in violent agreement with McVey, Curtis Lowe & CANNONBALL on this.

    In my experience, "civilians" who are derogatary about pro (or amateur) fighters have (in nearly all cases) never put the gloves on themselves.
     
    FastHands(beeb), Jun 28, 2015
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  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Exactly. I think civilians should be forced to spar or post live evidence of themselves in a ring before they trash a guy they think is a poor fighter.
     
    choklab, Jun 28, 2015
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  12. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Frank would have had a great chance at beating Evangelista, Zanon, Rodriguez, and LeDoux, all of whom also got shots at Larry Holmes.
     
    Vince Voltage, Jun 28, 2015
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  13. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I feel you on the dilution effect, but Frank wasn't on the level of Pinklon, Tim, Gerrie, and some of the other guys.
     
    Titan1, Jun 29, 2015
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  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Absolutely not on a career sense. Perhaps within "a window of time" sence.
     
    choklab, Jun 29, 2015
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  15. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Too bad you couldn't spar with Brian London and then with Cleveland Williams. You would have noticed a huge difference
     
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