Was Shane juiced for the 2nd Oscar fight?

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  1. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually you haven't done a thing. Didn't you say you back up your posts or something like that? Well do it. Are you afraid to be exposed again or did you just lie about that too?


    Unfortunately for you it doesn't matter what you think should be done with the fight. What are you going to collect signatures on a petition?[/quote]


    Nope. Just curiousas to other peoples opinions about it. Of course we all know its no big deal to you since he didn't know he was cheating and there was no noticable differece, right?
     
  2. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I came in late on this thread, but if he stated he didn't know which all boxers and other athletes use for an excuse, then why does he still get the win over Oscar? It should be overturned to a no contest. Vargas and Toney both got punished. Actually, Toney's win over Ruiz got overturned due to the use of the steriods. His answer was the same.
     
  3. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Again, I came in late for this thread and actually didn't read the last couple of pages. The members above me seemed to be disputing if he knew or not. Whether he knew or not, if it was found in his system, the fight should be a no contest. If it was not found in his system is another story. If it is all true, damn, Oscar is partners with him and making money for him.
     
  4. Thread Stealer

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    Mosley didn't test positive, so the NSAC won't overturn it, even if Mosley has admitted that he was juiced up.
     
  5. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh, I did not know this. Now if you were Oscar and Shane admitted using, would you still be in buisness with him? I mean, if he admitted using. Anyway, this is water under the bridge. Why would anyone admitt to anything not legal anyway. I know it is wrong, but look how Marion Jones was crusified. It also hurt the other members that won a gold with her. I know it is unethical to lie, but I think the pressure got to her. The mafia fixed plenty of fights and baseball games. Everyone knows it and you don't see anyone going after the participants.
     
  6. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Shane has finally come forward not too long ago and admitted that he was juicing. He claims the he didn't know that it was steriods... yeah right.
     
  7. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    The FBI demanded that the NSAC hand over Mosley's urine sample about 10-14 days after the fight, but the NSAC said that they had already destroyed them. They didn't test for the BALCO steroids either, as they weren't known at the time.
     
  8. Thread Stealer

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    Maybe Oscar's planning to get his revenge on Shane by shorting him on some money once his career is over, or is happy that he makes a lot of money off of him as it is right now.

    Or maybe he got some measure of revenge when he basically put his foot down and said "I'm fighting Mayweather, you've got to wait and go to the dentist".

    Boxers got punished when they threw fights. Rocky Graziano got suspended for "failing to report a bribe". LaMotta got in trouble for the Billy Fox thing. Willie Pep got banned from New York for the Lulu Perez fight.
     
  9. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    Nope. Just curiousas to other peoples opinions about it. Of course we all know its no big deal to you since he didn't know he was cheating and there was no noticable differece, right?[/quote]Yeah, you exposed me good. I've been exposed as a far more intelligent and emotionally stable person than Jab5239. You got me.:yep

    To answer your question, it is no big deal to me. First of all, nobody here knows anything yet. You got the words of a convicted felon trying to sell a book and a chopped up interview on some web page.....And that's it! If that's enough for you to be absolutely sure about anything then I'd advise you to shoot yourself in the face. Secondly, if after everything is said and done we find out for sure that Shane did use steroids around the time of the second fight with Oscar it still wouldn't be that big of a deal to me. Like I said, he didn't even do as well in that fight as he had in their first fight, so it must not have helped him much if he did in fact use them. This is nothing like Barry Bonds all of a sudden hitting 73 home runs when he never even managed to hit over 50 in any season prior to that. Had he blown Oscar out it would be a different story, but he barely came away with the W.
     
  10. JAB5239

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    Balco products are undetectable. Mosleys name was on a list at Balco that the FBI seized. To his credit Shane has admitted using these products around the time of the second Oscar fight but says he believed they were just vitamins. The dilemma is this though.....He has admitted using an illegal supplement that was untracable, but there is no evidence except Shanes own word and that of Victor Conte. Whether he knew it or not, he has said he used. Conte also said he used. Both specify the same time frame. Is this enough to declare the fight a no contest?
     
  11. JAB5239

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    Yeah, you exposed me good. I've been exposed as a far more intelligent and emotionally stable person than Jab5239. You got me.:yep

    To answer your question, it is no big deal to me. First of all, nobody here knows anything yet. You got the words of a convicted felon trying to sell a book and a chopped up interview on some web page.....And that's it! If that's enough for you to be absolutely sure about anything then I'd advise you to shoot yourself in the face. Secondly, if after everything is said and done we find out for sure that Shane did use steroids around the time of the second fight with Oscar it still wouldn't be that big of a deal to me. Like I said, he didn't even do as well in that fight as he had in their first fight, so it must not have helped him much if he did in fact use them. This is nothing like Barry Bonds all of a sudden hitting 73 home runs when he never even managed to hit over 50 in any season prior to that. Had he blown Oscar out it would be a different story, but he barely came away with the W.[/quote]


    No, we know Shane has admitted using. That is a fact. You're the only one blind to this. And it doesn't matter how much you think it did or didn't help him, there is no way to accurately determine that, its still cheating. You seem to excuse that though because "he barely came away with the W". Yeah, you're full of integrity.
     
  12. Cormega

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    I didn't hear Shane admit to using anything. I read bits and peices of an interview just like you did, and at no point did either of us read the words "I used steroids", so there goes your fact right out the window. If I find out for certain that he did cheat I will definitely lose some respect for the guy, but I won't be nearly as excited about the whole thing as you already seem to be without actually having any real proof at all, and yeah, the fact that whatever he was alledgedly taking didn't seem to do him any good has a lot to do with that.
     
  13. BigReg

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    Shane definately admitted to juicing
     
  14. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Sugar" Shane Mosley says he is a "health-freak-type of guy" who had no idea that what he took for a few weeks in the fall of 2003 were the BALCO designer steroids "the clear" and "the cream," which he said he was pressured to take by his former strength and conditioning coach.
    "Unknowingly, yes, some of the substances they are talking about, were being used as part of the workouts. I didn't know what the hell it was," Mosley said in an interview with ESPN.com


    The above is from the first two paragraphs of the article posted in post #18 where he is CLEARLY quoted. My facts are where they have been this whole thread.....in your face. As far as how much good they did him? You say "taking them didn't seem to do him any good". What are you judging that on, the first fight? Why not look at his next fight where he was flat and dominated as proof?
     
  15. vargasfan1985

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    i had read what was in vargas' body, if anything, would HURT his stamina down the stretch. lets be honest. he didnt look any different in there in terms of fighting, he just looked jacked.