Was SRL ...

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  1. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    ... the most complete, formibable Welterweight fighter ever? I say he has a good shout:

    - Unreal handspeed, movement and footwork
    - Very sturdy chin
    - Formidable and underestimated (two-fisted) power. One of the best combination punchers in boxing history. (from any division, or any era)
    - Defensively very sound
    - Always a onimous threat at any stage of a fight. He could be an equally devestating fighter from the inside, or outside
    - Possessed great variety, could box/slug/brawl in equal measure when the situation called for


    *I actually rate SRL slightly ahead of SRR, as my #1 Welterweight. Although people will probably dismiss me as crazy I honestly think it's not that farfetched an opinion. :good



    * :bolt
     
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  2. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Very bold thread mate and one that's sure to be jumped on by Duodenum, Miss Rooster and the Street Lethal quadruplets. :good
     
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  3. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    He´s surely one of the best. Napoles, one of the most underrated fighters at this weight IMO, would be his final candidate and rival for this "title"...
     
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  4. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    He was incredible. Sick talent, always came in great shape, and to me he's a one of the most complete fighters. What's his weakness? The only thing i can think of was fighting the wrong fight against Duran in the first fight. Even there, he held his own and set things right in the rematch, showing that contrary to Duran, he could take it as well as dish it out.
     
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  5. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    ... tell me about it, and that's prob just a few of the (many) redrooster alter-egos. :yep

    I think a cut n' paste type reply can be expected depicting logic defying hate for Leonard, lacking any sort of objectivity ... complete with a round-by-round analysis of the fight vs Hagler fight and how Marv won 117-111. :nut :verysad
     
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  6. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    'Ere we go ... :roll:
     
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  7. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    My only concern HJ, is that he never fought a deep enough level of opposition. Dont get me wrong Hearns, Duran & Benitez are excellent, I just feel if he'd have beaten Curry, Palomino & Cuevas (or even Pryor) then his resume would look a lot better at WW.

    How'd you see a potential SRL vs SRR matchup transpiring?
     
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  8. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    Ray's finest wins:

    1. Duran rematch (you'd have been dubbed a lunatic, had you suggested Leonard would achieve revenge in the fashion which he did)
    2. Hearns
    3. Benitez
    4. Hagler
     
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  9. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    He was long considered the most complete boxer in the world, and this is in the time of Gomez, Hagler, Sanchez, Hearns, Holmes, Arguello, Spinks, Benitez, Pryor et al. I am surprised by how many in here (including good scribes) don't realise just how hard he hit at 147. He had it all there. Very solid power, sensational speed, toughness, brilliant tactical awareness and adaption, great stamina. Tho he had his breaks and spells i think he was very likely the best fighter of his era.
     
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  10. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Leonard's resume at 147...

    Roberto Duran (1-1)
    Hearns (1-0)
    Benitez (1-0)
    Finch (1-0)
    Mayweather snr (1-0)
    Shields (1-0)
    Ranzany (1-0)
    Dave 'boy' Green (1-0)

    Robinson's resume at 147...

    Fusari (1-0)
    Kid Gavilan (2-0)
    Jackie Wilson (2-0)
    Jimmie Doyle (1-0)
    Tommy Bell (2-0)
    Georgie Abrams (1-0)
    Sammy Angott (3-0)
    Armstrong (1-0)
    Lamotta (2-1)
    Servo (2-0)
    Zivic (2-0)
    Shapiro (1-0)

    Greater depth to Robinson's resume but more notable wins on Leonard's
     
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  11. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Scrap the Hagler win, were talking about his welterweight days
     
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  12. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    I too think he is arguably the best 147 pounder in history. His record speaks for itself.

    Leonard was a boxer-puncher, he could box or brawl. He knew what he needed to do in big fights. He had old school mentality with the lesser fights. He didn't mind getting stuck in to get the ko and entertain.
     
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  13. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    I was talking career wins. Replace Hagler with Green or Finch then.
     
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  14. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    I don't have a big problem with your view of SRL as the most complete and formidable WW ever. Your points are very valid. However, I still have SRR and Armstrong just above Leonard. A lot of people hate Leonard for reasons outside of his boxing ability.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Personally i can't have Leonard ahead of SRR at 147. I'll accept him as second quite freely tho.
     
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