Was Stanley Ketchel overrated?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just watched highlights of Papke v Ketchel and I was very dissappointed in how clumsy Ketchel looked, he was pulling back while punching and his guard ws all over the place, why was he rated so highly?
    (D.Brown vid)
     
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  2. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Power.
     
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  3. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because he was one of the best, people had seen up until then.
     
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    BitPlayerVesti The Ad Wolgast of Googling Stuff Full Member

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    It's worth reading the news reports of this fight compared with others of his for more context. This was considered a poor performance from him at the time.
     
  5. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    His record is very impressive.

    He cleaned house, in what was seen as a very deep middleweight era.

    Granted he is not aesthetically pleasing on film, but handsome is as handsome does!
     
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    BitPlayerVesti The Ad Wolgast of Googling Stuff Full Member

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  7. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Papke was in the greatest middleweights discussion up to World War II.
     
  8. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'll have to take your word for it because to my eyes the man in that video was awful. No athleticism, co-ordination, balance, technique, footwork. Obviously I cant gauge his strength from a video but everything else was utterly abysmal. Even skipping a rope was beyond him.

    And how on Earth did Carpentier ever get a shot at the HW title? The man was terrified in the ring - he literally ran. Not metaphorically ran. He ran away.

    Slight tangent. I can't rate Dempsey that highly because his title reign was so bad. That he deemed Carpentier worthy of a shot might have been good business sense but that is my case in point.
     
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  9. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Just watched this and was as unsurprised by the lack of any technique whatsoever on either combatant's part (Papke throws a jab in the first few seconds and lifts his back leg! It is just horrible.) as I was surprised by Papke's decision to wear a thong. Although looking at images of him on Google it seems he often wore his budgie smugglers into combat. Even Camacho would have thought twice!
     
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  10. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm well aware of this! I just find it hard to believe, that if we had footage of him in a good performance, a COMPLETELY different fighter would be revealed.
     
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    WAR01 If its Green it ain't me. Full Member

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    Just get off this forum for a bit and ask yourself, is posting around the clock a waste of my sexless life? If the answer is no ask yourself again till you come to the conclusion that all your posts are VS threads, activity bait, and pissy questions you could answer yourself if you just took a deep breath and went on Google you absolute freaking fizzle go get a hobby that isn't so... THIS!
    Sincerely Green~
     
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  12. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails Full Member

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    Why do people always post old timers like Papke and Ketchel, and get angry? He was never technical in even the most basic sense. That is literally common boxing knowledge.

    Why not post fighters like Driscoll, McFarland, Welsh, Wilde etc who actually look impressive on film, and discuss the naunce and differences of their styles and comparison to modern rulesets?

    Guess that wouldn't cause enough vitirol, and you'd have to actually appreciate classic fighter abilities.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think you guys are on a different spectrum to me or something, my life is sexless but I don`t know why that would mean something to you, lighten up a bit pal.
     
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  14. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was just shocked because he`s so highly rated, but it`s not only old timers that are overrated a lot of modern bangers get overrated too, it`s irritating, but according to you me putting a little post up is worth reporting and getting me banned from something I enjoy xx
     
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  15. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails Full Member

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    I didn't report you. Besides, you're a nuisance anyway, so I'm not surprised people are tired of you.

    And I wasn't just talking to you with this post, but the whole, typical brigade coming in here snidely denigrating older fighters, and not just saying what they think straight up. They never talk about the guys I mentioned, just the same targets and boring talking points.
     


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