Was the 1970s really the golden age of heavyweights?

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  1. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The 1970s has often been referred to as being the golden age of heaveyweight boxing where the quality and depth of great and good heavyweights had never been bettered but reading the the George Foreman thread where the question was asked would any other heavyweight at that time, apart from Ali, have beaten the Zaire Foreman on that night got me thinking. The general consensus was that no other heavyweight at that time would have beaten Foreman,only Ali. So was the quality and depth of 70s heavyweights really that good as everyone thinks or is it the quality and charisma of the few at the top (Ali, Foreman, Frazier) in that period that paints it as being a golden era?
     
  2. tommytheduke

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    1- Mid-to-late 1960's - Early-to-mid 1970's
    2- Late 80s - Mid-to-late 90s
    3- Bum of the Month Club
    4- 1946-1955
    5- 1956-1962
    6- 1975 - early-to-mid 1980s
    7- 2000-2010s
     
  3. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe it was
    Ali Foreman Frazier and Larry holmes are all in my top 10 of all time.
    Shavers and Mac foster were huge bangers, Ron Lyle was onescary baaaaad looking man and Jerry Quarry had charisma and guts by the bucketful and Ken Norton was awkward for all but the big bangers.
     
  4. janitor

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    It was either the golden age of heavyweights, or the golden age of big fights being made.

    There are other era’s that could have had the potential to rival it, but the key fights did not happen.
     
  5. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think you've hit the nail on the head, most of them did fight each other though Frazier Norton might of been interesting.
     
  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This.

    I think it's generally hard to compare quality of eras, so my main criteria is if the fights were being made and from the mid 60's to the late 70's they certainly were.

    The 90's were full of quality, but there were several top fights that never happened and champions like Bowe and Foreman had pretty horrible reigns. The early 80's was also stacked with talent, but some key fights went missing there as well. In the 70's the deserving contenders all got shots at the title and they fought each other as well. And there of course were legendary fights like FOTC, Zaire and Manilla.

    The only thing that mars the era a bit is Frazier's "reign" after FOTC. Two defenses in two years, bot against unranked opposition. Shameful.
     
  7. VVMM

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    I think no.It was the most popular era but this doesn't mean it was the best.
    By my opinion only Ali was better fighter than Wladimir Klitschko
    from this 70s era.
    The 80s/90s era created lots of far better fighter than W. Klitschko:
    Tyson,Lewis,Holyfield,Spinks,Holmes,Tucker,Ruddock,Bowe,Ibeabuchi,Bruno etc.
    To me the best Holmes was more a 80s fighter.
     
  8. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think the 70's were the golden age not only of the heavyweights, but of BOXING period. The mid to late 60's ain't too far behind BTW.
     
  9. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Agreed 100%.

    It's a slim line between a great era and a disappointing one. Just imagine how much worse the decade looks if we tweak only a couple dynamics.

    1) Joe doesn't give Ali a rematch
    2) Joe doesn't fight Foreman

    As big as the FOTC was, those fights boosted the era's perception from good to great. Without the Frazier fights, Ali-Foreman doesn't mean near as much. And that effect cascades down the rest of the division because a number of guys made their name and legacy based on how they did against those two guys.

    I think, for example, the perception of the early 2000's heavyweight scene got harmed in a big way due to one fight not happening- the Lewis-Vitali rematch. When the opportunities to have fights like that come up, they have to happen, or the reputation of everyone suffers just a little bit (sometimes more). The biggest fights have to happen for an era to distinguish itself in fans' minds, even if the fighters involved in that era weren't the H2H greatest ever. You won't find fans more fierce than boxing fans when we actually get the fights we want to see, and the disdain is real when we don't.

    It's a thin line, and it only takes a handful of the right fights to make the difference.
     
  10. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why did Frazier never fight Norton, Lyle, Young or shavers?

    Take the Ali and Foreman fights away and there's not much really to define Frazier in the 70s.
     
  11. janitor

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    Norton and Lyle due to shared managment.

    Shavers whas never realy in the picture when Frazier was.

    Young, probably no particular reason.
     
  12. Kid Bacon

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    WORD!:good

    That defines the 70's HW division: you were prety much sure that the guy on top was really the guy on top, because he had to defeat all/most of the deserving challengers to be there... no suspensive points in the individual and collective legacy.

    Compare that for example with Mayweather "reign"; as good a fighter as he is, his legacy (and Pacquiao's) will have always a black spot because those two didn't fight each other (at least not when that fight mattered)
     
  13. fists of fury

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    It most likely was, yeah. Not only did it have maybe the most remarkable and charismatic heavyweight of them all, but pretty much all the main players fought each other at or close to the peak of their powers.

    I think the 80's may have had more actual talent (wasted though mainly) and the 90's more depth...but the 70's had the key fights being made at the right time.
     
  14. N_ N___

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    No. The 90s and 80s had more talent. The 70s just had most of the fights made that people wanted to see.
     
  15. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A clear no.

    The 1980s had :

    Tyson
    Smith
    Tucker
    Douglas
    Thomas
    Witherspoon
    Holmes
    Tubbs
    Berbick



    and more than a dozen of quality dangerous contenders.


    The 1990s had :

    McCall
    Tua
    Holyfield
    Tyson
    Bowe
    Lewis
    Akinwande
    McCline
    Ibeabuchi
    Michael Grant
    Ross Puritty
    Orlin Norris
    Corrie Sanders
    Golota


    And more than a dozen of dangerous contenders some of which were quality

    The 2000s had :

    Vitali
    Valuev
    Wladimir
    McCline
    Tua
    Lewis (until 2003 , so he is just a very partial inclusion)


    already at least on par with the 1970s elite and the contenders were on par with their parallels too.