Was the 80's heavyweight division really that bad?

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It was an era of unfulfilled potential.

    There was actually an embarrassment of talent in that era, if you look at the fighters themselves.
     
  2. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No. There were many quality hvys. Its just Don King controlled most and made them fight one another. Holmes bolted and wouldn[t fight many of the King controlled fighters.
     
  3. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holmes fought exactly one of the above mentioned. He takes some blame too.
     
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  4. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sullivan, Kilrain, Godfrey, Jackson, Burke, Slavin...lots of decent talent...
     
  5. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yup. Everyone knows that I am very critical of Holmes.
     
  6. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And he was awarded the IBF belt. He did not win it in the ring against a challenger. And considered part of his title reign. but somehow escapes the criticism guys like Norton and Lewis get.
     
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  7. clinikill

    clinikill Active Member Full Member

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    Holmes was the lineal champion at the time, though. Lewis and Norton were not.
     
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  8. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly, John, inconsistency seemed the order of the day back then. Great prospects would get beat by people they shouldn't have (Berbick himself was one of if not the biggest spoiler, amazingly beating a young and prime Greg Page and an at-the-time-considered-world-beating Pinklon Thomas).

    It's tough for me to reminisce about the era's top contenders, because they all really ended up disappointing me. I had high hopes for both Witherspoon and Thomas. At least Tim won a couple of world titles (and didn't fade anywhere near as fast as Thomas).

    Speaking of Tim, I would have loved to see him up against the early 90s Bowe or post-Douglas Tyson...imo he very well might have had a chance to win!
     
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  9. Apollo GOAT

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    It was still better than the 20s, 30s, 50s and 2005-2015
     
  10. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Go ahead and name another DKP fighter that had the WBC belt stripped. And how about the fact he faced exactly one #1 ranked challenger > the Shavers rematch===which absolutely nobody picked Earnie to win.
     
  11. Furey

    Furey EST & REG 2009 Full Member

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    Would have to disagree on this one.

    I'd have to say the mix of Fury, Usyk, Wilder, AJ, Wlad along with the likes of Joyce, Povetkin etc over the last 10 years trumps the 80s.
     
  12. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree i like Holmes as fighter but there are some glaring names he missed out on in the 80s Dokes, Coetzee, Page, Thomas, Weaver rematch. He should've fought atleast 2 of these names.
     
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  13. clinikill

    clinikill Active Member Full Member

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    I get your point but I was just saying the reason Holmes didn't get flack for being handed an alphabet title is because he was well established as the greatest heavyweight going at the time. Norton certainly was not the best fighter in the division at any time in his career and Lewis only had a couple good wins on his resume when he was awarded the title, and he certainly wasn't the fighter he would evolve into years later.
     
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  14. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Something I feel Holmes never shoulders the blame for is helping usher us into a three belt era. Without his backing the IBF may be liked at like the WBU today.
     
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  15. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    and that organization that awarded him the belt has the distinction of having their president convicted and sent to jail.
     
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