Was the drug testing procedure a way out for floyd from the beggining? Vote

I read that he wouldn't take any "random" tests 2 or 3 days before the fight...

 

You would have to be stupid to vote yes.

 

1. He came back because he was broke, the IRS was after his ass.

2. He may have wanted to fight Pac and he was probably confident would beat Pac especially after he dominated Marquez. Then came the shocker, Pac letting Cotto have a free shot at him, zero effect. I believe right there and then, Floyd planned an honorable way to duck this fight.

3. Pac made a comment/threat that he would badly hurt Floyd Jr. for what Sr. had said. The serious threat for bodily harm made Floyd look harder or plan a better way to duck this fight.

 

The difference is in the evidence. Floyd signed to come in versus Marquez at 144 lbs and let everybody know on 24/7 that he'd made weight. He then came in at 146 lbs, either because he couldn't make 144 or didn't want to. Floyd was lucky that Marquez had too much pride and money on the line to back out, otherwise he would have gotten more crap than he has gotten thus far for pulling that move. The point is that Floyd proved that when the chips were down, he lied to everyone on this issue to improve his chance of victory(while jeopardizing the fight itself). When Floyd got in the ring, he looked like he was around 160 versus Marquez. Pacquaio is a hard punching fighter, and it is reasonable for him to put a stiff penalty on Floyd's weight to ensure that he doesn't blow himself up further to try and get more punch resistance given what Floyd pulled against Marquez. And either way, Manny is asking Floyd to make the weight he made for his last fight, he's not asking Floyd to do anything dramatic.

On the flipside, Pacquaio has tested clean everytime, but Floyd has effectively said that the testing the commission does is not good enough for his satisfaction(an assertion he's never stated before), and that Pacquaio must prove his innocence through Floyd's testing procedures otherwise he's guilty based on nothing but the ramblings of Floyd's dad. Floyd is saying that he's bigger than the boxing commissions through this action. Pacquaio has agreed to almost all of Floyd's demands in this regard, but it's not good enough for Floyd, has to be everything Floyd wants. In my mind, that coupled with a history of fights that Floyd has yet to make, tells me that Floyd doesn't want to fight Pacquaio. As to Floyd "knowing" Pacquaio wouldn't submit all the way to his drug testing requirements, I never said he knew, I simply explained why he had to think it was a decent chance that he wouldn't. It wasn't any challenging piece of reasoning. Floyd insulted Pacquaio with this demand, is trying to harm his reputation without evidence, and is trying to put a proud man in a position where he's clearly second-billing in terms of negotiation. Pacquaio has as much reason to suspect Floyd is on PEDs as Floyd does of him with the "evidence" Floyd has, yet he didn't try to do the same thing. He has every right to tell Floyd to shove off, but he's tried to compromise on the issue, yet again, it's not good enough for Floyd.

As to the other poster, Pacquaio has fought one of the top Welters already, so if he moves on after this to fight Yuri Foreman or a stay-busy fight, it wouldn't thrill me but he gets a pass from me for one fight as he's proved he's willing to fight better opposition. Floyd hasn't proven that to my satisfaction since he left the lower weight classes, so if he moves on to fight another tune-up level opponent, he deserves nothing but criticism in my eyes.

 

If Floyd came out of retirement to face the Pac/Cotto winner, he'd have waited one day to find out the winner. As his fans point out, he hadn't lost a step and didn't need the warm up.

He used a potential megafight with the Pac/Cotto winner, to create interest in a fight with a guy who never belonged at welterweight.

 

SEE...I understand your argument but Floyd had no way of knowing Pac would be this strict on the tests....We all thought it would get done easy...And as far as what Sr said I could care less...My argument is based more on the fact that Manny is "too proud" than rather if he is "on PED'"....

Also FLOYD HAS SUBMITTED TO MORE OF MANNY'S DEMANDS THAN MANNY HAS TO FLOYD...REGARDLESS OF ANY EVIDENCE IT IS STUPID RIDICULOUS TO HAVE A 10 MILLION DOLLAR FINE..THAT SET ASIDE FLOYD AGREED TO IT...PAC SHOULD AGREE TO THE TEST...

U CANT CRITICIZE FLOYD WHEN HE JUST WANTS SIMPLE DRUG TESTING DONE...I GUESS U CAN BUT IT SHOWS UR PRETTY MUCH JUST HATING...FLOYD JUST WANTS THESE RANDOM BLOOD TESTS AND IT DOESN'T MAKE FLOYD STRONGER OR FASTER....IN FACT HE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME DRUG TESTING..WHO GIVES A DAMN...I GET RANDOM DRUG TESTS AT MY WORK BY BLOOD OR URINE...PAC SHOULD JUST AGREE AND THAN THE FIGHT WOULD GET MADE AND THAT IS THAT...INSTEAD HE IS ****ING US BY NOT TAKING A SIMPLE DRUG TEST OR 3 BECAUSE HE IS TOO MUCH OF AN IDIOT TO SWALLOW HIS PRIDE AND MAN UP AND GET IN THAT CHAIR AND SQUEEZE HIS FIST AND GET HIS BLOOD DRAWN...THAN HE WILL GET A FREAKIN SUCKER AT THE END...


MANNY AGREES TO THE TESTING AND THIS FIGHT IS MADE ALREADY...MANNY SAYS NO AND THIS FIGHT IS OVER...CANT BLAME FLOYD FOR WANTING THE BEST CHANCE AT :deal0 WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY FOR EITHER FIGHTER TO TAKE PED WITHOUT GETTING CAUGHT...DANGEROUS SPORT...

 

LMFAO....U KNOW HOW COCKY FLOYD IS...:rofl I DOUBT HE IS GONNA BE THINKING THAT LIL PAC COULD HARM HIM AND SO HE WILL "DUCK THE FIGHT"...ALL THIS IS OPINION WITH PRETTY MUCH THE GARBAGE TO BACK UP ANYTHING

 

Void has a history of cheating on the weights...menwhile Mayweather avoided another fighter because he thinks Pacquiao who passed all test and agreed for blood test(not on Voids term) is roiding.

 

Yes, Floyd was able to mastermind his way out of this fight by not demanding more money or glove size or not agreeing to the weight fine. No, his grand plan predicted that Pacquiao would be a ****ing moron and not agree to random blood testing. Yeah, that's a brilliant ****ing plan.

 

Floyd's history, his history of not pursuing fights with the best in his weight class adds to the credence that he may also duck this fight.

 

Read this motherf***er, Floyd has done this before. He challenged Winky with no real intention of fighting him.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/7224/don-surprised-mosley-mayweather-rumors-escalate/

excerpt:
Shortly after fighting Gatti, Mayweather issued a challenge to Winky Wright who defeated Felix Trinidad a month earlier after beating Shane Mosley in their rematch in November of 2004. At that time I wrote for another entity and said Mayweather was just trying to get attention and had no intention of ever fighting Wright. None whatsoever. Stating that Floyd would get out of the fight by making outrageous demands that Wright would never accept. Only Mayweather was wrong and Wright did accept his terms knowing he'd do exactly to Mayweather what Floyd just did to Marquez. Winky knew his size and strength would neutralize Mayweather's speed and skill set. Once Wright agreed to accept the ridiculous deal, surprise, Mayweather turned a deaf ear and went another direction and fought Sharmba Mitchell.

 

All you're saying here is that Floyd had no way of knowing for certain Pac would do what he's done, and I just made the case that it wasn't hard to envision that he would at the least have a very good idea that this could happen. As to Floyd submitting to more of Pac's demands, Pac's demands are reasonable given what Floyd pulled with Marquez, Floyd's demand for drug testing is an insult to Pacquaio and is basically saying that the commissions aren't good enough and Floyd is bigger than boxing itself. And again, despite that, Pac has agreed to almost everything Floyd has asked for, but again, it's still not good enough for Floyd. Pacquaio could submit to the drug tests as you say, and I believe Floyd would find a way to back out anyway if he did. On the flipside, Floyd could easily agree to Pac's compromise with him, and get the fight made himself. So it works both ways there. The difference again, is that one guy has fought a top flight Welter, and the other has not. If Floyd goes on to face someone of the caliber of Clottey, etc, then at least for my part, I would respect his argument of the drug testing for the sport's integrity more. But if he goes on to fight another hand-picked tune-up opponent, it's obvious that this was all designed as a big smoke and mirrors smear campaign against Pacquaio and that he never intended to fight him from my perspective.

Had he backed out for any of those reasons, it would have been regarded as an obvious duck job and his reputation would have taken a big hit. This way he implicates Pac as a cheater, and gives the appearance of wanting the fight without actually going through with it. Had Pac agreed to everything, I'm confident that Floyd would have probably used one of the reasons you listed after the fact regardless to back out or he would have just said there's no way to know for sure even with the testing, painted Pac lamely as a cheater, and backed out.

 

A few teaspoons of blood is outrageous? Really *******. Mayweather's Outrageous demand is a few teaspoons of blood? Not 60-40 or some unheard of fine? No No Mayweather's master scheme is a random blood test. yeah, that makes perfect sense in pacworld.

 

Another hilarious thread on this non-issue :rofl:rofl:rofl

1 fighter demands the other prove he's clean, the other fighter refuses, gets insulted by the notion and accuses the other guy of ducking him.

Now, to prove duckage surely it'd be simpler to just agree to all the bull**** and take the tests - you never know, if the other guy is trying to duck you then agreeing to the random tests and signing the contract might just bring out the ***** in him, if he is a ***** :huh

Seems to me that Mayweather touched a nerve, Pac got scared because he knew he'd have to fight without his 'special advantage' and is now sueing to save face. A real fighter would be desperate to call bull**** on the dope allegations, they certainly wouldn't be claiming they're scared of the needle

 

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Like I said you could post 1,000,000,000,000,000 times but at the end of the day! YOU ****ING IDIOT CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING!

So you guys directly and indirectly saying PAC is into PEDs but to this ****ING day NONE of you CAN PROVE anything!

So who is getting owned here:rofl