Was the Referee wrong to let Ward fight the way he did against Green?

Skilletscuz · Jun 27, 2010

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If what Ward was doing was so illegal, why did Green's corner never complain?
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bailey said: ↑

Who knows, but if they were anything like they're fighter they werent prepared to put themselves out
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lol great answer.... the answer is - they didnt complain, cuz there was nothing to complain about.

Better?

note my previous post had the same quote from you, not sure why you're confused, unless you're just copping out...

Skilletscuz · Jun 27, 2010

bailey said: ↑

Boxing News 25th June 2010.
Journalist Zachary Levin praises Wards performance against Green. Later in his article writes.
He never let him come up for air. He'd tie up an arm and punch with his free hand on the opposite side of the ref.
His head has suddenly become the best third fist in boxing, a la Holyfield.

Sound legal does it?
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What doesnt sound legal? Because you base your beliefs on one journalist's subjective observations?
On a journalist thats inconsistent in his own article, he praises Ward in one part and then mocks in another part?

Did you even watch the fight? Tell me, how many cuts did Allen Green have at the end of the fight? Tell me, how many point deductions did Ward get for headbutts? How many official verbal warnings (ones that create a stoppage of action) for headbutting did Ward get?
If you dont really know, how about STFU about this subject then?

You sound kind of naive, and so does this journalist that you use, while fighters hit in a clinched position. Exactly how DO fighters end up getting tied up or clinching? They just MIGHT be hooking each other's arms? Are they allowed to hit in a clinched position? If there is a free arm... YES!
Ward's left arm rested on the hip of Green. If Green REALLY wanted to get off the ropes, he would have. In fact, after going through a 2min meatgrinder on the ropes in the 3rd round, he stayed off the ropes, spun out, re-directed Ward off all the way up to the 6th round. Until he was tired and got trapped again on the ropes.

I swear hate in the head causes mental ******edness, illusions, and a self-created reality... another Headbutt Conspiracy Theorist caught red-handed!

RobertV77 · Jun 27, 2010

bailey said: ↑

Ive never accused Ward of intentially using the head with Kessler, I felt Ward put on a good performance on the night and the better man won, but last night watching Ward against Green I couldnt believe how dirty a fighter Ward is, he was holding and hitting constantly and being aloud, being aloud to lean on Green, was pushing Green in the face with an open glove and was using the head frequently with no major warning from the ref.
Did anyone else think Ward was fighting dirty?
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Should Froch been able to fight the way he did against Dirrell? The bad officiating in that fight aided in the bad judging that occurred later. Sincr the wrong guy won that one I'm a little more concerned about how it was officiated.

Jeff M · Jun 27, 2010

Green let Ward fight that way. Don't blame the ref.

bailey · Jun 27, 2010

Skilletscuz said: ↑

lol great answer.... the answer is - they didnt complain, cuz there was nothing to complain about.

Better?

note my previous post had the same quote from you, not sure why you're confused, unless you're just copping out...
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Never a copping out Skilletscuz. My answer is simple. Green didnt put up an inspired performance, so you have to wonder how inspired his corner was, if he was anything to go by.
But when talking about copping out why dont you answer the quote of your journalist Zachary Levin who in praising Ward acknowledged illegal tactics and claimed Wards head as the best 3rd fist in boxing. Odd that.
Still alot of corners dont make a big deal of complaining, thats not unusual.

bailey · Jun 27, 2010

Skilletscuz said: ↑

What doesnt sound legal? Because you base your beliefs on one journalist's subjective observations?
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Holding and hitting and using the head dummy.

On a journalist thats inconsistent in his own article, he praises Ward in one part and then mocks in another part?

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Now you obviously havent read the article dated. The Journalist dosent mock Ward at all, and wasnt inconsistent. To state something he saw is being honest.

Did you even watch the fight?
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Yes. Did you, because oddly in my favour the journalist has said in the publication a week later what I said the morning after

Tell me, how many cuts did Allen Green have at the end of the fight?
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None that I remember, but alot of the head use was to the chin, and that area dosent tend to cut as often, but then all people are different, and some cut easier than others as you know. Look how bad Kessler was after being butted, but not everyone would be the same, and not all headbutts land in the same place

Tell me, how many point deductions did Ward get for headbutts? How many official verbal warnings (ones that create a stoppage of action) for headbutting did Ward get?

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Only watched the fight on the night, but would say it was a home fight where lots of odd things can happen, Bute - Andrade 1 is an example of how views differ, and as said the journalist in question points out how he honestly saw something

If you dont really know, how about STFU about this subject then?
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Do you know then, obviously less as I made a point on something I watched, which was open for correction, but then a week later a respected journalist for a trade magazine says the same .
But im sure you know better

You sound kind of naive, and so does this journalist that you use, while fighters hit in a clinched position.
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Well Zachary Levin is just an American Boxing journalist, and has been for a long time, still I bet hes as naive as me .

Exactly how DO fighters end up getting tied up or clinching? They just MIGHT be hooking each other's arms? Are they allowed to hit in a clinched position? If there is a free arm... YES!
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But they're not aloud to hold the opponents other arm though are they. Which the journalist pointed out on the blind side.

Ward's left arm rested on the hip of Green.
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My word you are an expert. Was that every time?

If Green REALLY wanted to get off the ropes, he would have. In fact, after going through a 2min meatgrinder on the ropes in the 3rd round, he stayed off the ropes, spun out, re-directed Ward off all the way up to the 6th round. Until he was tired and got trapped again on the ropes.
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This isnt in debate but the head use and holding and hitting is. Thats you trying to find ground for your failed argument

I swear hate in the head causes mental ******edness, illusions, and a self-created reality... another Headbutt Conspiracy Theorist caught red-handed
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Your living proof of this, because I have no hate for Ward but didnt like some of the illegal tactics, but thats not hate.
I never accused Ward of using illegal butts against Kessler, But have said he used the head with Green, but odd that for such a conspiracy theorist that a respected journalist who credits Ward says the same thing. Not on my own then, as you swear hate in the head....
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bailey · Jun 27, 2010

RobertV77 said: ↑

Should Froch been able to fight the way he did against Dirrell? The bad officiating in that fight aided in the bad judging that occurred later. Sincr the wrong guy won that one I'm a little more concerned about how it was officiated.
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Robert Dummy, your on the wrong thread again. Let me help you. This threads about Ward and Green, two complete different fighters to Froch and Dirrell .
Try starting a thread Robertv77, on second thoughts dont, I might have to correct you again

bailey · Jun 27, 2010

bailey said: ↑

Ive never accused Ward of intentially using the head with Kessler, I felt Ward put on a good performance on the night and the better man won, but last night watching Ward against Green I couldnt believe how dirty a fighter Ward is, he was holding and hitting constantly and being aloud, being aloud to lean on Green, was pushing Green in the face with an open glove and was using the head frequently with no major warning from the ref.
Did anyone else think Ward was fighting dirty?

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My quote on Sunday 20th June 10

bailey said: ↑

Boxing News 25th June 2010.
Journalist Zachary Levin praises Wards performance against Green. Later in his article writes.
He never let him come up for air. He'd tie up an arm and punch with his free hand on the opposite side of the ref.
His head has suddenly become the best third fist in boxing, a la Holyfield.

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A part taken from Boxing Journalist Zachary Levin fight report on Fri 25th June 10.
But I must be a conspiracy theorist
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