Was the ring mag annual 1999 P4P ratings the best top 10 P4P in the history of the sport

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    The P4P for 1897 would have been pretty stacked

    Maybe something vaguely like:
    Bob Fitzsimmons
    Solly Smith
    Kid McCoy
    Tommy Ryan
    Jimmy Barry
    Kid Lavigne
    Pedlar Palmer
    George Dixon
    Tommy West
    Joe Walcott
     
  3. SheenLantern

    SheenLantern Active Member Full Member

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    Bonkers that Floyd was already considered P4P #2 in 1999, and he had 28 more wins after that!
     
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  4. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I don't think was that high on the list yet. Maybe top 5. Shane Mosley was ranked #1 for a time. Trinidad was #2.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    28*, he'd had way more than 12 fights by then.
     
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  6. SheenLantern

    SheenLantern Active Member Full Member

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    D'oh! You're right. I can't count :)

    Still very impressive though.
     
  7. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think this list from 10 years earlier in the year end 1989 P4P list in Boxing Illustrated magazine beats it.

    1. Mike Tyson
    2. Julio Cesar Chavez
    3. Pernell Whitaker
    4. Michael Nunn
    5. Meldrick Taylor
    6. Evander Holyfield
    7. Jeff Fenech
    8. Sugar Ray Leonard
    9. Azumah Nelson
    10. Thomas Hearns
     
  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I would argue 99 is better. Jones and Mayweather were better than 89 Chavez and Tyson. Pernell was way ahead of Tito so 89 has that. Oscar probably deserved a better pfp spot than Nunn considering how he moved up in weight and put together a better resume. I'd put peak Mosely ahead of peak Meldrick.

    As for the second half, Hearns and Leonard were past it whereas Stevie is the only weal link for 99. Corrales should've been at 10.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    In 1946, the ten names floating about the top ten would be:

    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Ezzard Charles
    Archie Moore
    Willie Pep
    Jake LaMotta
    Ike Williams
    Charley Burley
    Holman Williams
    Manuel Ortiz
    Tony Zale

    Joe Louis - even while past it - would still have been regarded as one of the best in the world as well. As well as plenty of others.

    Most stacked era ever IMO.
     
  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    A problem with guessing a past pfp list is that you can’t do the same for 99.

    If you were gonna throw together a 99 pfp list today, we don’t know if you’d be leaving off Pac, Zoo, Corrales, Barrera, Lewis, etc.

    Who in their right mind would rate Stevie ahead of Lewis? Somehow that happened though.

    Edit: Hamed was around too.
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I don't think Pacquiao who was coming off a three round KO loss and being essentially, an unknown foreign flyweight flash in the pan (as seen at the point, anyway) deserved to be on the list.

    But I can see your point. It's much easier to make one up in hindsight. I don't think anybody will leave Fury/Joshua of a list of this eras best in years to come, but almost everybody does now. Even so, if you included those names, and I added amount needed to match it for the 40s, I'd still consider the 40s to be better.
     
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  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Well yeah, that year was definitely stacked. But take Moore, for example; he had a loss and two draws in that year, which is pretty much grounds for pfp dismissal these days.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No way, Tyson began to decline after Rooney was fired and Leaonard and Hearns were way past it, every body in the 1999 list were nearer their peaks than Hearns and Leonard were in the `89 list.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hamed never cracked the P4P ratings.
     
  15. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What was 1979 like? The light heavyweight division alone might win this argument.
     
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