Was there a knockdown in the 11th round? (unrelated to controversial ending)

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  1. o_money

    o_money Boxing Junkie banned

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    Personally if a punch landed and he wasn't already on the way down its a knockdown. Nothing against Dirrell thats just how I interpret boxing.
     
  2. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here's the first typical ESB idiot who can't seem to read or understand the opening post. I took about 5 minutes to show up, so congratulations for contributing to the conversation!
     
  3. untmike

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    anyone who voted a knockdown or borderline knockdown is ******ed and extremely biased.
     
  4. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Honestly though, this thread is pretty much pointless. That was obviously a slip. You can clearly see his feet sliding. If you hit someone and then they trip over your foot and fall down, is that ruled a knockdown? Of course not. Dirrell went down due to the slippery surface(the same surface he slipped on earlier). Whether or not Abraham landed a grazing jab at about the same time(which it looks like he may not have even done) is irrelevant.
     
  5. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In the top down angle, its hard to tell whether his foot was on the ground when he got punched, or he was about to step down - bad angle

    It actually looks like dirrell was trying to lean foward to regain balance, but got popped with a jab, and this was unable to regain balance, and went down.... But, you cant see the feet, - another bad angle

    From these angles, you cant be sure of much

    The ref should have been there sooner tho, thats without a question
     
  6. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's not that simple IMO. Usually there's a slip and no punch or a punch without a slip, but if both happen, it's a tough call. Here, both happened at the very same time, maybe there's a split second before the jab connects when Dirrell is starting to slip, then the connect makes things worse, and he is down. In my view, if it continues without the foul and Cole doesn't count based on a previous slip in the very spot, it is acceptable. On the other hand, if it's the first time and the ref sees the connect and slip at the same time, IMO it's a 50-50 call and many would go for the punch.
     
  7. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Get ready for a breakdown from a ******, then.

    The ref was right there in the center of the ring and couldn't make the call one way or the other. That's why he didn't step in- he didn't know what to call it and froze.

    Personally, I consider it borderline because it would've been a ***** of a call to make in real time, to be fair to Cole. A grazing punch and a slip could easily be interpreted either way, especially when the two happened close to simultaneously. Hell, we've got slo-mo instant replays from angles he couldn't even see posted in this thread and there's still not a consensus on the right call.
     
  8. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Clicked the wrong option.

    Slip.
     
  9. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    It is that simple. I've seen plenty of guys clearly get hit and then trip over the other guys foot and it's not ruled a knock down. The slip is what ultimately caused him to go down, not the punch. Unless you're going to seriously argue that he would've went down from that punch, even if he hadn't slipped, then it's an easy call. I just think people aren't familiar with the rules.
     
  10. Strike

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    It was a slip, but the one in the previous round was a legit KD.
     
  11. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    the 11th & 10th round situations were both slips

    11= dirrell slipping off the logo which happened earlier in teh fight as well (2nd or 3rd round)

    10= dirrell's left heel gets caught on the front portion of aa's right foot (right where the adidas logo is located) dirrell clearly tries to lift up his left foot but it was trapped by aa's shoe
     
  12. NOTORIOUS

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    I think it could had been ruled a kd since he wasn't all
    the way down.. That's my opinion and if they had ruled it a slip
    then I would be good with that too..
     
  13. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Show me the rule which states if there's a connect and a slip at the same time, the ref has to ignore the connect and go with the slip! Since there's no such rule, it's a borderline call, some would rule it a slip and I have no problem with it if there was a previous incident at that area, and some would rule it a knockdown since there was a punch landing on a fighter who was on his feet at connect. I'm just curious how the board would rule it (slip is ahead).
     
  14. Borincano

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  15. Borincano

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    Only a incompident ref would call it a KD. We have seen many of them in the past.