was there always ducking in boxing history?

Since the dawn of the sport :nod

 

no where near as bad as now its gone insane

you have wilder and quillin are the biggest offenders imo

 

A lot of ducking comes down to management, if they think their cash cow could get whooped then why would they take a chance?

 

There was a time when ducking an entire group of people with a different skin colour was considered the norm.

So yes, its always been there

 

Sugar Ray Robinson ducked good black fighters like Charley Burley. Jack Johnson wouldn't give any black boxer a shot at the belt.

 

Made a list of great fights that didn't happen a couple of years ago. There have always been duckers. You could take this list further back and find bare knuckle ducks if you were a mind to.

John L. Sullivan vs Peter Jackson 1891
Tommy Ryan vs Barbados Joe Walcott 1898
Sam Langford vs Jack Johnson II 1910-15
Jack Dempsey vs Harry Wills 1920-26
Gene Tunney vs Kid Norfolk 1922-26
Jimmy McLarnin vs Jack Kid Berg 1931
Henry Armstrong vs Kid Azteca 1940
Fritzie Zivic vs Holman Williams 1941
Ray Robinson vs Holman Williams 1941
Ezzard Charles vs Eddie Booker 1942
Jimmy Bivins vs Eddie Booker 1942
Tony Zale vs Holman Williams 1942
Tony Zale vs Jack Chase 1942
Ray Robinson vs Cocoa Kid 1943
Rocky Graziano vs Kid Azteca 1946
Ray Robinson vs Kid Azteca 1946
Joe Louis vs Elmer Ray 1946-47
Jake Lamotta vs Charley Burley 1947
Rocky Graziano vs Charley Burley 1947
Jersey Joe Walcott vs Archie Moore 1950
Rocky Graziano vs Jake LaMotta 1950
Ray Robinson vs Charley Burley 1951
Kid Azteca vs. Carmen Basilio 1953
Eder Jofre vs Jesus Pimental 1965
Ruben Olivares vs Ernesto Marcel 1973-74
Joe Frazier vs Ken Norton 1973
George Foreman vs Jerry Quarry 1973
Victor Galindez vs John Coneth 1974-78
Roberto Duran vs Antonio Cervantes 1975-77
Larry Holmes vs George Foreman 1977
Carlos Palomino vs Pipino Cuevas 1978
Wilfredo Gomez vs Danny Lopez 1979
Larry Holmes vs John Tate 1979
Lupe Pintor vs Jeff Chandler 1980-84
Salvador Sanchez vs Eusebio Pedroza 1980-82
Salvador Sanchez vs Alexis Arguello 1980
Roberto Duran vs Aaron Pryor 1980
Roberto Duran vs Alexis Arguello 1980
Roberto Duran vs Tony Ayala Jr. 1982
Dwight Qawi vs Eddie Mustafa Muhammad 1982
Larry Holmes vs Michael Dokes 1982
Aaron Pryor vs Ray Mancini 1982
Larry Holmes vs Greg Page 1983
Thomas Hearns vs John Mugabi 1984
Ray Leonard vs Donald Curry 1984
Ray Leonard vs Aaron Pryor 1984
Pinklon Thomas vs Larry Holmes 1984-85
Azumah Nelson vs Barry McGuigan 1985
Hector Camacho vs Livingstone Bramble 1985
Mike McCallum vs Thomas Hearns 1986
Julio Cesar Chavez vs Azumah Nelson 1988
Orlando Canizales vs Raul Perez 1988
Orlando Canizales vs Miguel Lora 1988
Jung-Koo Chang vs Myung-Woo Yuh 1989
Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield 1989
Mike Tyson vs George Foreman 1990
Mike Tyson vs Lennox Lewis 1990-91
James Toney vs Gerald McClellan 1992
James Toney vs Nigel Benn 1993
Rid**** Bowe vs Lennox Lewis 1993-95
Gerald McClellan vs Roy Jones Jr 1994
Ricardo Lopez vs Michael Carbajal 1995
Rid**** Bowe vs Mike Tyson 1995
Oscar De La Hoya vs Kostya Tszyu 1996
Mike Tyson vs David Tua 1996
Tito Trinidad vs Ike Quartey 1997-99
Johnny Tapia vs Mark Too Sharp Johnson 1998
Ike Ibeabuchi vs Mike Tyson 1999
Ike Ibeabuchi vs Evander Holyfield 1999
Roy Jones Jr vs Bernard Hopkins 2 2000
Roy Jones Jr. vs Dariusz Michalczewski 2000
Oscar De La Hoya vs Tito Trinidad II 2000-04
Shane Mosley vs Tito Trinidad 2000
Naseem Hamed vs Juan Manuel Marquez 2001
Naseem Hamed vs Erik Morales 2001
Kostya Tszyu vs Shane Mosley 2002
Ricardo Mayorga vs Antonio Margarito 2003
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Erik Morales 2003-05
Joe Calzaghe vs Sven Ottke 2004
Floyd Mayweather vs Kostya Tszyu 2004-05
Floyd Mayweather vs Antonio Margarito 2006
Floyd Mayweather vs Paul Williams 2007
Floyd Mayweather vs Miguel Cotto 2008
Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao 2009
Wladimir Klitschko vs Vitali Klitschko 2010

 

:nod

 

Terific list :happy

 

Yeah ibfeel bad for Langford. Johnson was a real aas for not giving him a shot.

 

I think sanctions are the cause of duckings. They made it easy to avoid certain fighters and be a world champion at the same time.

 

:nod The real GOAT.

 

It's a terrible list. 1. Bob clearly said cotto wasn't ready for Floyd. 2. Margarito in 06 had done nothing to warrant floyd "ducking" him, and same goes to 07 Williams, he didnt haev Quintana, Martinez, Winky, etc on his resume, the only notable name on his resume was mitchell. 09 pac, we all know Pac refused testing, I wonder why? Zoo in 04? lolol, floyd can rightfully be accused of not fighting guys in their prime, but ducking any of those guys above? that's just comedy.

 

Ovids said it was a list of "great fights that didn't get made", not necessarily ducks. In my opinion, those are all great fights that did not get made. I didn't assign blame and neither did he.