Was there ever an Olmpic gold medalist that could have won a world title in their first pro fight?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know this is a stupid question, but some comments on this forum have led me to believe some fans feel olympic level is world class, is that true? Could olmpic greats like Teofilo stevenson have done well in title fights in their first ever bouts at pro level?
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    None really spring immediately to mind.

    I think Sugar Ray Leonard would've been good enough in his pro debut to beat WBA Welterweight champ Angel Espada.

    The problem was Espada lost his title to Cuevas the day before the 1976 Olympics began. By the time they were over, Cuevas was champ. I don't think Leonard in his debut beats Cuevas.

    So that doesn't work.
     
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  3. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Active Member Full Member

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    I reckon it depends on Olympian and champion at the time. I’m sure theoretically it’d be possible, though.
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Lomachenko could’ve. Same with Rigondeaux.
     
  5. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    He lost to Salido in his 2nd fight. Whether he could of beaten Gonzalez or the other champions at Featherweight at the time in a 12 round fight is a diff story.
     
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  6. Pat M

    Pat M Active Member Full Member

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    Sure some amateurs could win a title in their first pro fight. It can take some time to feel comfortable with the different rules and the slower pace of the pros, but lots of amateurs are highly skilled. Plus, they are accustomed to fighting the best, when they go to a tournament, only one fighter in each weight class comes out unbeaten and they don't get to pick their opponents. It is rare that a top amateur is out of shape for a big amateur tournament. Reverse the question, and there are probably few pro champions who could win an Olympic title or a World amateur championship.

    Someone posted one of Ali's first pro fights on this board (I think his opponent was a guy named Logan?). He looked extremely good in that fight, not sure I ever saw him look better. I saw an early fight of Jerry Quarry against an Argentine fighter, Quarry looked sharp, his conditioning was excellent, his quickness and movement was much better than it was later. Some fighters like Wilder who didn't have a long amateur career probably improve by taking step up pro fights (though his power makes him a threat anytime), fighters like Lomachenko and Usyk had long amateur careers fighting against quality opposition, they're ready for anybody in their first pro fight.
     
  7. JamesFosterGB

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    Even though Wilifred Benitez wasn't an Olympian becoming world light welterweight champion at 17 is one of the most incredible things ever. Akin to winning gold medal and then world title in first fight.
     
  8. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Meldrick Taylor or Pernell Whitaker might have beaten a guy like Harry Arroyo for the lightweight crown. That's not a slight on Arroyo, I actually think he was pretty decent. Taylor and Whitaker were just that advanced that early and it's a good stylistic matchup for them both.
     
  9. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe Loma?
     
  10. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali really struggled against Doug Jones and was really slim, don`t forget Ali was the light heavy olympic champ and Paterson would have been too much for Ali at that point, Paterson would have dealt with Jones far better than Ali did when he was floored during that bout, Ali was reaching his peak around the Williams fight his movement was better and more consistent he didn`t move as much v Jones. Ali looked fantastic v Daniels in terms of his counter punch speed thoughearly in his career. Which would champs today do you feel wouldn`t be able to win olmpic golds and why? Do amateurs have to learn how to adapt during a 12 round fight also? Floyd wasn`t that good during his first 3 rounds in a lot of his pro fights and only won bronze during his olympics, he was a far better fighter as a pro and would have dominated the guy that won gold in the pros. You are right about the pace being slower in the pros though, I never thought about that before.
     
  11. expljose

    expljose Active Member Full Member

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    Pea all day long...if you watch his pro debut he looks like someone with 15/20 fights under his belt..he just went in there and fought his match ..looked seasoned as all heck
     
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who was the lightweight champ at that time though?
     
  13. expljose

    expljose Active Member Full Member

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    Bramble was one of them i think
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bramble was exposed by Rosario.
     
  15. expljose

    expljose Active Member Full Member

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    In 1986 yes
     
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