Was this Holyfield’s strategy to maximise his chances of beating Lewis in 1999?

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Given Holyfield’s age/wear (his two signature wins came in 1993 and 1996), his team may have reasoned that he could maximise his chances of winning at least one of the Lewis fights if he employed the following strategy:

    1. Tried to puncher’s chance the suspect-chinned Lewis in fight 1, taking few risks otherwise. If he succeeded then he would win and likely make Lewis even more tentative in the rematch, if he failed then he would probably lose a wide decision, facilitating the next step

    2. Holyfield losing a wide decision in fight 1 would reduce Lewis’s motivation and focus for fight 2 as he would have already experienced being undisputed heavyweight champion for 8 months (with a trilogy on the cards if Lewis lost fight 2 functioning as an unhelpful safety valve) and he’d be more risk-averse with all of the belts to lose, whereas it would be do or die for Holyfield. Lewis would also underestimate “shot”, “clear loser” Holyfield going into fight 2, further reducing his motivation and focus. Holyfield would have a better idea of the adjustments to make in fight 2 having not shown Lewis his hand in fight 1, whereas Lewis would take an “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” attitude to a far greater degree. Expectations of Holyfield would be significantly lower going into fight 2 than they were going into fight 1 which could lead to more favourable judging for Holyfield if he exceeded expectations, as could the fact that Lewis had been given the decision in fight 1. It would have felt fairer to even the score (rather than have cautious giant pointfighter Lewis go 2-0 up) and give the win to warrior Holyfield after a highly competitive and more exciting rematch, especially as he would have been perceived to have overcome far more adversity (being the significantly older/more worn, much smaller, much less powerful man and the perennial underdog who had to come back from a clear defeat in fight 1, as well as four total defeats in his career to Lewis’s one) and Holyfield critically had home advantage over foreign champion Lewis. It would also make sense from an economic point of view, setting up an ultra-lucrative Holyfield-Lewis trilogy fight. A potential trilogy providing an additional reason why giving Holyfield the verdict would have been fairer as it wouldn’t put 34 year old Lewis (1-1 with Holyfield, wants a decider) out in the cold as Foreman/Holmes/Bowe/Tyson-conqueror American ATG 37 year old Holyfield would have been at 0-2.

    The spanner in the works of this master plan was the heavily criticised and embarrassing “robbery” draw verdict in fight 1, which sustained Lewis’s motivation, focus and made it practically unfeasible to deny him twice without exceptional reason. Had Lewis been awarded a UD after fight 1, I strongly suspect that Holyfield would have done even better in fight 2 (which was highly competitive anyway) for the aforementioned reasons and got the nod from the American judges.
     
  2. NoChin

    NoChin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    too long a post man
     
  3. NoChin

    NoChin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Evander Hdeabuttfield lost the first fight. The 2nd one I don't know. Did they give it to LL to make up for the first, I literally don't know?
     
  4. Samart'sTeep

    Samart'sTeep Active Member Full Member

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    The second one was more competitive, but I thought Lewis clearly won both fights.
     
  5. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    This.
     
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  6. Unique Way

    Unique Way Active Member Full Member

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    I had Lennox winning the first fight 117-111 and Holyfield winning the rematch 115-113
     
  7. Goran_

    Goran_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    People don't like hearing this about Lennox but the fact is a lot of his best wins were past their sell by date.. Holyfield had only fought once in 17 months going into that fight.. against a C level HW, and he didn't look great in that.. he then went on to fight on even terms with one of the most boring HWs ever in Ruiz.. late 80s to early 90s was undoubtedly the best version of Holyfield for me
     
  8. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Did they give it to LL to make up for the first, I literally don't know?"

    There was certainly an element of that. The backlash from the "robbery" verdict in fight 1 was so great that they couldn't rob Lewis a 2nd time. So in a close fight they were always going to give it to Lewis. Had Lewis been given the verdict in fight 1, I think Holyfield gets it in fight 2, for the reasons I outlined.
     
  9. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His career was far better managed than his main rivals Bowe, Tyson and Holyfield and he peaked last. "History is written by the victors" applies.
     
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  10. Samart'sTeep

    Samart'sTeep Active Member Full Member

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    There's some truth in what you're saying, but it's not his fault that Tyson imploded in his early 20s and Holyfield left his best inside the ring against Bowe. That wasn't peak Holyfield, but I still think there was enough left that it was a worthwhile scalp on his resume. Holyfield fought well in the second fight against Lewis, technically and physically. I'm not saying you're doing this, but I don't think it's fair to act like he was totally shot, either. He finished Moorer not that long beforehand. He was still an elite fighter at that point.
     
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  11. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bowes not a main rival of Lewis. Doesn't have the resume depth.
     
  12. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    He is amain rival as they had unfinished business since the amatuer days, and were at the top of their game in the pros when the fight was being discussed. One of the biggest fights to never happen in boxing.
     
  13. The G-Man

    The G-Man I'm more of a vet. banned Full Member

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    Evander had that weird 3rd round KO epiphany in the first fight.

    He looked lose after the round past and Lennox was still on his feet.
     
  14. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Oh dear. @Dynamicpuncher , you were right. OP is pathetically hating on a guy who retired 20 years ago, lol.

    He refers to the first fight being a draw, one of the most criticised and well-known examples of appalling decisions in the history of the sport and pretty much the definition of robbery, as "robbery" :D
     
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  15. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I remember Holyfield saying a few years back that he thought body punches was one of the keys of beating Lewis and that he was going to attempt to test Lewis body in their second fight but he said that unfortunately for him, Lewis had his shorts/ protector pulled up so high that he was unable to target his body the way he wanted. Apparently even now when they meet Holyfield still jokes to Lewis that his shorts were pulled up so high in that second fight that it looked like his protector was up to his chest when he was sitting down in between rounds.