Was Tito Trinidad a great FIGHTER?

Tito lost to:

Winky Wright
Bernard Hopkins
Oscar De La Hoya
Roy Jones Jr.

Oscar lost to:

Shane Mosley
Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao

Oscar also fought and beat better competition, and has won titles in more weight classes.

Oscar fought and beat more champions, and in a champion several times over than Tito.

 

unless people are playing 'follow the leader' how can people justify tito being 'great'?

tito's a great puncher but technically flawed.

 

Define GREAT then?

The 90's had better fighters than now, and Tito was amongst them.

 

a great fighter is someone, for me at least, who transcends the sport.

i dont think anyone apart from roy, floyd and pacman in the last 25 years or so will even be considered.

 

I think that's fair, and I think alot of Tito fans would admit he was not as physically gifted as Roy, Floyd, Hopkins, or even Mosley. The "second act" of his career was also awful, going 2-2 with both wins basically coming against no-hopers, and both losses being very clear ones.

Personally, I think it's possible to call a fighter great even if they aren't, say, in the Top 25 of all time.

As for only dominating people he was technically superior to, I don't think he was technically superior to Oscar, Whitaker, Reid, or even Vargas. Hell, maybe not even Oba Carr. Tito went undefeated for as long as he did because he physically outlasted fighters he was technically inferior to.

 

Wow! Funny how when you look at the records ODLH is better than Pac's yet you don't even consider ODLH great!

You got your priorities mixed up buddy!

PBF has the WORST resume.

 

Tito's legend is well deserved

 

Tito's fights weren't any bigger than DLH's.

DLH didn't lose all his big fights, people just count DLH's losses as his "big fights". People only do this with DLH for some reason, maybe because every DLH fight was a "big fight" in terms of competition. That's what I mean by Tito's fights weren't bigger than Hoya's, and hardly anyone else for that matter. DLH's comp was top of the line and therefore his losses but he had great wins as well. That being said, yes, Trinidad was a great fighter, top of the list of greatest welters ever for sure. He would definately clear out the welter division today, that's for sure.

 

Trinidad was serious business. Yes, he was Great.

 

Are you rating him so badly based on accomplishments or based off of ability?

 

I agree that PB has an inferior resume but this is not about him. Tito was a great fighter and he DID transcended the sport even thought he never learned english. Tito was followed worldwide by boxing fans. Every fighter has flaws as there is no a "perfect" fighter but Tito skills, warrior personality and charisma made him an icon. His record speaks for itself and any boxing connoisseur will tell you that Tito is one of the greats.

 

Tell me, when you look in the record books, what the hell are you looking at? No matter how we see it, Tito's hand was raised. NOT OSCAR'S. Bottom line. I can say Pernell & Sturm were robbed against Delahoya, if you really wanna play it that way.

Roy Jones? Tell me, did Trinidad belong at 170? Was he in his prime? That loss doesn't mean much and he was retired again for 2 years before that fight.

Winky Wright? One of the most avoided fighters when Tito fought him and there was no shame losing to him.

Tito- UNDEFEATED AT WELTERWEIGHT & JR MIDDLE.

Tito- 20 wins & 1 loss in championship fights.

Tito- 3 division champion

Just because Oscar won titles in 6 weight classes(which is great) doesn't automatically rank him higher. Oscar won titles in 6 weight classes but Tito CONQUERED divisions. He was LINEAL more times than Oscar was. Infact, Oscar's career was up & down after he fought Tito. 5 of his other losses came after him. Tito CONQUERED VARGAS. Oscar got his left overs. Oscar was the money bag but NOT the best fighter:nono

And I don't know why you say Oscar fought & beat better competition. They pretty much for the most part fought some of the same people.

 

DLH beat Pernell, to me it wasn't that controversial.
Yes, Sturm won, but you saying Tito didn't belong up in 170 goes for Oscar too at 160. Yes, Tito conquored divisions but so did Oscar, the only difference is Oscar started his career with titles at 135 and 130 and moved up from there. So yeah, the bottom line is the record books because we could easily make valid excuses for both fighters (both did conquer divisions but the difference is everyone ignores Oscar's first half of the career which was a blitzkrieg through the lighter weights).

 

Trinidad was lineal champ once at 147 after he beat Oscar and DLH was lineal champ thrice after he beat Castellijo at 154, Whitaker at 147 and Chavez at 140.

 

And people seem to not realize how many defenses Tito made of his first title. While Oscar was winning in the lighter weights, Tito was already making multiple defenses. His spot at 147 was already established. For people to say Oscar did more than Tito is laughable, they both did ALOT with an edge in ATG status to Tito. Tito's only got 3 losses. Two of them at 160 and one at 170. He was untouchable at 47 & 54. Oscar started to slack. Tito didn't.