He was a great fighter at welterweight. His one dimensional style didnt allow him to move up in weight where his strength and power wasnt as big of a factor.
"Didn't allow him to move up in weight"?:blood Are you serious? He moved to 54 and knocked out undefeated champion Vargas. He moved to 160 and was the first man to KO William Joppy and took his title. What the hell did you say again?:blood
Say what ever you want. Just because Chavez got a draw against Whitaker doesn't mean Whitaker didn't win. Just because Tito got a gift decision against Oscar it doesn't mean Oscar didn't win. It doesn't matter. Oscar didn't belong at 160 and he lost to Hopkins there. Winky was not avoided, STFU, Winky fought Vargas, Mosley, Trinidad, Hopkins, he fought everyone he could have. No shame in losing to Winky...whats your point? Being undefeated is overrated. He got a gift against Oscar at WW. Oscar was undefeated at 130 and 135 and has a BETTER record than Trinidad at 147 even though Oscar was only there for HALF the time Tito was, and Oscar has 10 Title fights there in 4 years while Tito had 15 in 8 years with lesser comp. Oscar is 26W-4L in title fights. Oscar also fought the better competition more consitantly. Oscar is a 6 division champion. 10 times World champion! This content is protected Oscar De La Hoya: 26 Title fights Won 10 Time world champion 19 Former champions and Champions beat 6 Division champion Tito Trinidad 18 Title fights 3 time world champion 7 Foremer champions and champions beat 3 division champ. Just look at the difference. Look at who was more consistant in fighting better quality. Oscar is more accomplished than Trinidad...end thread.
Cmon, he had no longevity or sustained success at middleweight. Joppy was a small middleweight and Vargas was a borderline 47 pounder himself, neither the greatest as well. 35-0 at welter 6-3 above welter nuff said?
This content is protected Oscar De La Hoya: 26 Title fights Won 10 Time world champion 19 Former champions and Champions beat 6 Division champion Tito Trinidad 18 Title fights won 3 time world champion 7 Foremer champions and champions beat 3 division champ. Just look at the difference. Look at who was more consistant in fighting better quality. Oscar is more accomplished than Trinidad...end thread.
Not many would. It was a great era. In fact I think it was the amazing era that makes great fighters look average by today's standards.
"It doesn't matter. Oscar didn't belong at 160 and he lost to Hopkins there." Tito didn't belong at 170. And he hadn't fought for 2 years. Almost the same thing. "Winky was not avoided, STFU, Winky fought Vargas, Mosley, Trinidad, Hopkins, he fought everyone he could have. No shame in losing to Winky...whats your point?" You STFU and realize what you're writing. Winky was avoided around when Tito fought him. When he lost to Vargas in 99 he couldn't get a big fight with a star until shane fought him several years later. Just because he fought Shane right before Tito DOESN'T mean Winky wasn't an avoided fighter. You mentioning Hopkins and all this has nothing to do with anything. He fought Hopkins in 07, that NOT the time period I'm talking about here. "Being undefeated is overrated. He got a gift against Oscar at WW." Yeah. Being undefeated is easy considering who Tito fought. And Pernell got robbed against Oscar. Keep going. "Oscar was undefeated at 130 and 135 and has a BETTER record than Trinidad at 147 even though Oscar was only there for HALF the time Tito was, and Oscar has 10 Title fights there in 4 years while Tito had 15 in 8 years with lesser comp." Yes, this is true. And one of them was a loss to Tito. And Tito beating Blocker, Whitaker(HOF), Carr(undefeated), Delahoya(undefeated, gold medalist), Reid (undefeated, gold medalist) doesn't mean that much? "Oscar also fought the better competition more consitantly." And that's supposed to mean what?:blood Tito wasn't fighting the best? He didn't beat all there was to beat at 147?:blood Oscar somehow cleaned 147 more than Tito did? Did he leave anyone out? Please tell me if he did. Going to 154 and fighting an undefeated champion Fernando Vargas wasn't fighting top competition? That didn't satify you? When Oscar lost to Mosley, he came against Arturo because he needed his confidence back. Guess what? Tito won another title at 54. Going to 160, winning a title there, and chasing after the Greatest middleweight of recent time isn't chasing great competition consistantly? Keep going buddy. This NOT a knock on Oscar Delahoya but no matter how you put it, no matter what you say, you can't deny the fact that when Oscar lost to Tito he was placed in Tito's shadow and his performances since then were high & low because he lost his edge. He had a chance to solidify himself as better than Tito and lost. Had another chance with Shane(twice), another with Hopkins, another with Floyd and lost everytime. He just missed it. Nobody is contradicitng how many times Oscar was world champion or how many weight classes he won titles in. He was my favorite fighter at one point. But Tito stayed consistant after they fought. Fact is, Oscar didn't.