I don't know why Tito and what he has accomplished get brought up anyway ... he's very proven and did so at such an alarming rate. I thought atleast there would be some respect, **** with this man winning so much. Only thing that should be said about him and who you think he would be and have a hard time with all-time. I'm sure the welterweight Tito of 99' would be and probably knockout 8 or 9 or even 10 of the top 10 right now. This guys is my favorite fighter ever and i'm sure that he's well past proving that.
Great fighter, I think enough has been said about his accomplishments. Tito provided the fans memories that will last forever. The guy ducked nobody and went beyond his limitations to reach greatness. Dedicated fighter who contirbuted positively to the sport. Whenever you talk about Tito, DLH will come up and vice versa those two are tied forever.
Trinidad was physically bigger and punched harder than Vargas, realistically a fight of two guys on the same physical level, probably the reason the fight was so close. Trinidad in my mind was always a junior middle that fought at welterweight anyway, and enjoyed a big strength advantage over most of his opponents, and the reason he was able to beat some of the better slicker fighters down there. Joppy was a Don King manufactured champion, and really a paper champion and not a big middleweight or a great one for that matter. Hopkins was a true middleweight and Hopkins tore him a new arseholse. Wright was realistically a solid junior middle and Tito's power did nothing to offset Wright or Hopkins. To say his power was effective at middle is just plain ignorance. The best fighters he faced at 60 and above shut him out, the best fighter he fought at 54 fought him somewhat close. He was a freight train at welter, but as he moved up in weight and his power was less of a factor, his one dimensional style was exposed.
Of course he was. Moving to 160 might have been the wrong move but...... Tito doesn't have the skill of an ATG but some guys are just special like that. He was a great pressure fighter and one of the best punchers ever, and that made up for his inability to adjust.
True, when Uliuli talks DLH I just sit back and take notes. The forum needed Uliuli cuz a couple of years ago ESB was all about Oscar hating. Only a small percentage of us were defending him. Not much has changed since then but a fraction of us feel like DLH's legacy needs defending. But I feel the same about Tito's legacy. I'm trying not to talk **** about Tito though as it is his thread. Uliuli is a Tito fan too, he just feels that Hoya has been unfairly tarnished by a lot of Forum haters who prefer to airbrush out the incredible accomplishments of the man and hold up the losses to paint him as an average fighter rather than the great fighter he was. :thumbsup
Good post, and how I feel exactly. Every Tito thread ends up a DLH vs Tito thread. But the truth is Tito was the perfect concoction to do what needed to be done, knock the opponent the **** out. In that way Tito was a perfect fighter, a stalker, and he got the job done. I think the best way to memorialize Tito was to bring up a memory from a press conference in his fight vs Mayorga. Mayorga tallked a lot of **** and Tito said in Spanish, "Everyone likes to call on the devil but no one actually wants to see him." Or something like that.
Tito a great fighter? Hell Yeah!!! He's one hell of an exciting fighter.. Sad he lost his last 2 fights though..
This thread is about Trinidad.... but I do understand why people talk about Hoya as well..... Let me just say first that Trinidad was great..... Both were great champs in their own way..... Hoya was better as a boxer when it comes to skills, and Trinidad was better as a boxer when it comes to get the job done faster???.... imho I think Hoya defeated Trinidad.... I have seen this fight only twice, and that was at the time that the fight happened, but I still think that Hoya won that fight.... I think Hoya's career was at one point carefully managed but at the same time I think he fought almost everybody regardless of the risk. Trinidad also did great things on his side, He went up and challenged himself at a faster pace (credit for doing that), taking at the same time the risks involved, and also achieving big time while going up... he did all that.., At the end of the day, both of them have been beaten without any doubts..... Trinidad have been taken to school three times at different times of his career while Hoya has been stopped (on his stool) like a robot without defenses..... Who is better????.... hard call for me..