Was Tommy Burns Unliked?

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  1. Charles White

    Charles White Chucker Full Member

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    I was just reading his wiki page and it mentioned that only 4 people attended his funeral. If it was because his immediate family just wanted an incredibly private affair, then I understand, but it seems strange to me that this fact would be reported at all. Even stranger is that a former heavyweight champion only had 4 people at his funeral. This begs the question; was Tommy Burns disliked? Is that why so few people showed up, or does somebody else have some info on this for me. Thanks. :think
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Its not so much that he was disliked, but more that he turned his back on the sport after he retired.

    He became an anti boxing campaigner, and an anti racism campaigner later in life.
     
  3. Charles White

    Charles White Chucker Full Member

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    No ****?! I heard about his efforts to fight racism (wasn't he married to an African American woman at some point in his life?), but I had never heard of anti-boxing campaigns. Wow...what was his reasoning?
     
  4. janitor

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    Tommy Burns - And an ex-world champion became a parson
    Article dated 16 Mar 1947

    And an ex-world champion became a parson.


    FACT’S San Francisco Correspondent.


    Former world heavyweight champion Tommy Burns is fighting what he calls his greatest fight - against sin. As a pastor of the Church of Brotherhood of Universal Love, the ex-prizefighter has found a new glory, new health, and a new wife.

    He told Fact this week that after he lost his title to Negro Jack Johnson on a tumultuous Boxing Night in Sydney in 1908, he felt vaguely dissatisfied with life and his health suffered.
    Hunting for something

    Said Burns quietly: “I always felt I had been hunting for something, but did not know what. I did not find it in the fame and money in the prizering. I went through my money anyway.”

    “Sixteen years ago in New York I was crippled by arthritis and I thought I would never walk again. But when religion found me and I found that when you healed the mind you healed the body - and when you heal the mind, you heal the world.”

    With his faith his legs strengthened. He drifted to the West Coast, began preaching in a little Seattle church. Burns came to California last year, met and wooed anew a woman he had first met 43 years ago in Detroit. They married last July.

    Now 65 and grey, he is a soft spoken man who lives in California’s sunshine in a little cottage surrounded by flowers at Coalinga near the city of Fresno.

    The glories of his fistic past mean little to Burns now. Said he “If I had my life over again, I would not be a boxer.”

    A grand people

    “Not that I disapprove of boxing or have forgotten my boxing career. When I lost in Sydney in 1908, the Australian people treated me as if I had won. They are grand people.
    He intends to renounce his British citizenship and become an American on June 9th (he was born in Hanover, Canada.)


    Miscellaneous Notes.


    · In his fight with Jack Johnson he was badly marked and suffered a twisted ankle.

    · Most experts, and Burns himself agrees, that he never recovered from the uppercut that put him down in the first round.

    · He insists that on the morning of the fight he weighed under 12 stone (weights were announced as Johnson 13 st 10 lbs and Burns 12 st 0½ lb. Most accounts say Johnson was much heavier, anything upto 15 stone.

    · After the fight, he made a quick recovery and drove to the Blue Mountains the next day.

    · Burns thinks that police stopped the fight because a rumor went around the Stadium that he had broken his jaw.

    · Opened a string of hotels in the North of England. He had also been an insurance agent, Box Lacrosse promoter, café proprietor and hockey player.

    · Some reports deny Johnson was in hospital after the fight.

    · Eugene Corri, the English boxing referee, described him as unpopular, insolent and arrogant. He claimed he was known as “Emperor Burns.”

    · Burns was involved in a brawl with England’s Joe Beckett in an hotel corridor in Leeds (Burns won easily, in what was mostly a wrestle).

    · When his prodigy Jack Lester was billed to fight at the Stadium, Burns was in Melbourne. At this time the Stadium was unroofed. Concerned about the size of the gate, he asked Lester to wire him as to how the crowd “rolled up”. Soon after 8 o’clock a message came, “Thousands turned away. Jack.” A delighted Burns retired to dream of happy financial days when his percentage of the Stadium cheque came through. Next morning he read in a newspaper “A terrific last minute thunderstorm caused thousands to be turned away from Sydney Stadium last night when the international fight was postponed.”
     
  5. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    interesting stuff

    Thanx:good
     
  6. Charles White

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    Thanks Janitor. Appreciate the info. Especially the "Emperor Burns" statement.
     
  7. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Burns was disliked for giving a black man a shot at the title. He broke the time's social rules. Folks blamed him for Jack Johnson. His wife was white and southern and didn't want him to fight Johnson either. Burns got pressured into the Johnson fight by the press, then denigrated afterwards for it. Talk about a catch-22. But at least he got paid well for it.
     
  8. Charles White

    Charles White Chucker Full Member

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    Did Burns lose his boxing money with a failure of the hotels he opened, or did he just squander it?
     
  9. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Probably. He was Canadian after all.
     
  10. RockyValdez

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    He was disliked for losing to a black man.
     
  11. janitor

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    Like with many boxers, it was the Wall Street crash that wiped him out.