Was Usyk robbed of a KO (Video)

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Here's a clue, well a clue for you, for anyone else it would be a clear proof but I'm hoping you can get there.

    When you said "Calls to stop a fight are made in the moment - when a fighter cannot viably continue and when he is also at risk of permanent damage in THAT moment"

    And I replied "Risk of serious injury in that moment. The ref has to make a judgement call and since Fury didn't suffer serious injury in that moment the decision to not end the fight was correct."

    You've completely misunderstood what I was saying. Now that's understandable since I've recently realised English isn't your first language and therefore you might not understand it's nuances.

    What I did was use your statement as a starting point and then I explained why the ref was correct.

    I'll go over the explanation again for you as slow as I can though.

    Risk of serious injury in that moment - this was your point, and I was using it to make clear this was going to be the starting point of my response.

    The ref has to make a judgement call - here I am implying the risk is entirely at the refs discretion, failing that the corner will throw a towel in if they think the ref is allowing it to go on too far.

    And since Fury didn't suffer serious injury - this is where we have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, in the moment we do not have this, but since the fight has finished we do have this now.

    The decision to not end the fight was correct - we know Fury wasn't seriously injured. We know Fury was able to finish the fight and continue. With these two in mind there's no logical conclusion that fight should have ended, when we know it didn't and Fury was able to continue.

    As always, thanks for continuing this exchange squire.
     
  2. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Given the scale of the essays full of nonsense you post (which on a 'size-to-usefulness' ratio are astoundingly pointless), the above is quite choice coming from you. Probably a projection on your part, though. Empty rhetoric is your specialty, remember?

    More to the point is that you haven’t actually refuted any of my arguments so, no --- in words you would typically use, ‘I’m on point.’

    You can’t even pin a single logical fallacy to my case. You can only insinuate such, Mr. ‘I know how to apply [Logical Fallacies] practically and correctly.’ :lol:

    Your effort on this thread has been disastrous, though I doubt you have the self-awareness to realize it. But to be fair, it has been amusing (and, at times, hilarious) spectating while you punch yourself in the face over and over again.
     
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  3. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Sure MM. Dream the dream.

    Man, the machine is breaking down quickly.

    Still desperately trying to ply false narratives, one after another, still trying to defend when he said he was beyond that.

    Speaking with a forked tongue, yet again.

    Addressing just one point of contention, among the many you didn’t actually defend.

    Remind me why it was okay and acceptable for the ref to assist Fury back to his corner.

    If he’d made him a cup of tea between rounds I guess that would’ve been okay also??? Good Lawd.

    You immediately went quiet on that after my sound and perfectly logical refutation.

    Basically, you’re talking out of your proverbial. :lol:

    You mentioned essays. Well isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black? Such a killer debating style.
     
  4. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    No, you need to re-read yourself, and very, very slowly at that….and mind the actual context you wrote it in - you didn’t just make the statement to me - you made it to others, including when you thought it was standing 8 count - such a confused lad you are. All over the place.
     
  5. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So, go ahead---cite a single fallacy from my argument that you can clearly identify and provide evidence for. You might think you have already, but you haven’t---not one.

    If you can’t do that, it’s time to pack up and go home. And no more vague insinuations or rhetorical smoke---provide specifics, or admit that you’ve got nothing concrete to back your claims.
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You've realised now haven't you, I can tell. No hard feelings mate these things happen, especially when English isn't your first language.

    We've already dealt with the 8 count situation, I've no qualms whatsoever holding my hands up, this is exactly what I'm hoping you'll take from this. A bit of humility.

    Atleast now I know why you felt I'd switched horses though, you hadn't really been clear on where your error was until you said I was thinking outside the box, that was when I realised what you'd done wrong, but hopefully now I've pointed it out to you, you also realise too.

    Thanks for the convo squire.
     
  7. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, that was me answering a specific question. I don't see how you don't see you're making my point for me.
     
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  8. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Wow.

    Now that was yet another shameless side step of a very simple, single point put to you illustrating your failure to adhere to actual facts, context, rules and duly applied logic.

    I’ve identified plenty otherwise, but this is the type of reply one receives from you every time - absolute avoidance and/or talking in circles - you’re very good at wasting time, I’ll give you that.

    Pack my bags and go home?…talk about a white flag of surrender on your part. :lol:
     
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  9. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good grief---you really can’t just do as you’re asked, can you?

    I’m challenging you, once again, to cite a single fallacy from my argument that you can clearly identify and provide evidence for.

    Challenges aren’t accompanied by a white flag of surrender; it’s your avoidance and time-wasting that suggests you have nothing of substance.

    So, either provide one, or I’ll have no choice but to assume you genuinely can’t and are, in fact, a massive bullshitter!
     
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  10. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, vaguely and without detail or substance. You asked for an example and I gave you one.
     
  11. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Except that you haven't. Ignoring posters points and going on hate filled tangent isn't refuting anything other than reality.

    Again, I didn't address you in the first place. If anyone is trolling for attention and validation it's you bud. Just let it go.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Thread is an absolute car crash and drawing reports now. Everyone log off for a spell is my advice.
     
  13. joset420

    joset420 New Member Full Member

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    Fury was in a very vulnerable position when that referee(who seemed ready to jump in at any second) jumped in.If it wasn't for that he would have been knocked out.