Was Uzcategui hitting Dirrell after the bell intentional/flagrant? What is after the bell protocol?

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  1. 3rdegree

    3rdegree Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    It was an unintentional punch.
     
  2. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Can't blame the ref, since Uzcategui was warned already and refs have that discretion. That said I did notice Dirrell suddenly started losing consciousness when the ref hinted at a DQ.
     
  3. Angler Andrew

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    Yeah and what a great combo it was,looked right on the bell to me
     
  4. OvidsExile

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    Not an intentional foul. I would have been fine with a KO it was so close to the bell, but what should have happened is either a five minute rest for Dirrell, go to the cards, or an NC. Those would have been the fairest outcomes.

    The problem was that he was on his knees and the ref asked if he was alright, he nodded and said "Yeah." He was about to get up when his corner yelled at him to stay down and yelled out that they needed a doctor; so Dirrell flops right back down on the canvas. Obvious malingering. That should be considered a foul itself. However, I can only think of one time when I've seen the ref not buy that act. It was an Amir Mansour fight, the ref told the fighter to get up and stop faking. This is very bad, compounded by the fact that Dirrell did this before against Abraham.

    This is just bad refereeing. The ref should have got between them at the bell and shouldn't have fallen for Dirrell's malingering.
     
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  5. qwertyblahblah

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    Even if you agree that warning Uzcategui once before was sufficient to DQ him, the ref still needs to be blamed. If he thought it warranted a DQ he should have thrown his arms up and gestured that Dirrell was the winner IMMEDIATELY. Then attend to Dirrell and bring the doctors in. Golota was immediately disqualified, Bowe wasn't asked if he was ok first. Clancy here called time, asked Dirrell if he was ok, acted like a confused ******, brought the doctor in, and just when the the doctors were brought in and the ref said he needs to know if Dirrell can continue (when his corner might have told to stay down) Dirrell rolled down on the canvas. Dirrell was given the chance to convince the ref he deserved a DQ win! The way it was managed makes it so obvious that a referee can't allow a DQ to depend on whether the hit boxer is able to continue or not!
     
  6. OvidsExile

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    12 seconds into the OPs clip Dirrell is on his knees, looking to his corner. 22 seconds the referee asks Direll if he's okay and Dirrell nods. 24 seconds Direll's corner starts yelling that they need a doctor. 37 seconds the doctors enter the ring and 40 seconds Dirrell flops down on the canvas. ****in faker.
     
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  7. qwertyblahblah

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    Almost everyone sees it was an unintentional punch no more than a half second after the bell. So what should have happened is this:

    Ref declares clearly that it was an accidental foul. Just like a serious low blow. Basically what he did, when he sure didn't act like he was declaring a DQ. Then determine if Dirrell was fit to continue. If he's not, fight goes to the cards as the fight was past the required rounds to be official; if he's determined ok Dirrell gets 5 minutes to fight on, and if he's not willing to he loses. Dirrell when was he knocked down also obviously like a legit kd: he was a bit hurt, but looked at the ref right away expecting a count and wanting to get up by 8. It was unintentional, Dirrell said he was ok, so Dirrell should've been told he has 5 minutes but has to resume. Sorry to repeat this. I wasn't myself completely sure in my first post but it's in fact SO OBVIOUS.
     
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  8. qwertyblahblah

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    Uzcategui's manager is disputing the DQ. He knows the rules, and he knows that the video evidence clearly shows it wasn't intentional. Sadly we can't resume the fight in the 9th with Uzcategui slightly ahead and Dirrell fading so we have to accept that Dirrell was 'unfit to continue'. Which means the scorecards determine the winner. And Uzcategui was ahead. Uzcategeui otherwise when he's been given the decision win he deserves might give Dirrell a rematch, but after being sucker punched he shouldn't bother allowing Dirrell to make another penny, so should get the W and move on.

    Uzcategui's also really going to bat for him pressing for charges against Lawson
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  9. Enigmadanks

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    He was in the middle of a 3 punch combination when the bell sounded. In real time, it happened very quickly, and I could understand how he couldn't lay off the last punch in the middle of a combination when things are unfolding so quickly.

    The way I look at it is if Dirrell had blocked the last punch and went back to his corner, I don't think that Uzcategui would've received anything more than a hard warning (2nd warning.) At worst case, maybe a point deduction but even that I find to be a bit too extreme.

    On a side note, Andre has some terrible luck. First getting hit while on one knee against Abraham and than this mess last night. I wish he was able to continue and truck through it.
     
  10. Nonito Smoak

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    Ehhhhh.

    It's some hosery and we all know what happened in Dirrell's small-man head. We all know what happened and intent/lack of intent... But the rules are the rules.

    Just imagine if Dirrell was forced to continue then got a headache and quit on his stool after the next round, was rushed to the hospital, and had a brain bleed. If that happened, nobody would be saying anything in defense of Uzcategui and the tone would dramatically reverse. So you can't have it both ways or either way. It sucks, terrible for Uzcategui. If it would have been allowed to go to the scorecards, that would have been the ideal outcome. However, the exact way it played out, if the only options are "KO" or "DQ," then I have to go with the DQ.

    Better be a darn rematch. Uzcat had him.
     
  11. qwertyblahblah

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    Well, if there was any doubt about whether Dirrell was able to continue the ref would be fine saying he couldn't. That was the decision to make. But what was wrong was not declaring it unintentional. So fight goes to the cards. If the commission has any integrity they'll reverse the DQ and declare Uzcategui decision winner.
     
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  12. nervousxtian

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    Dude did it twice, it's illegal to hit after the bell.

    Just like it was illegal to for Abraham to hit Dirrell when he was down.

    Don't want to DQ, don't do illegal things. Boxers know when the 10 sec warning goes off, and dude had been warned already. His own fault.
     
  13. N17

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    Spot On.
     
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  14. C.J.

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    Agree with you 100% err that scares me a bit lol Clancy needs booting out along with the Dirrells That was BLATANT !!!
     
  15. C.J.

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    THAT WAS TOTALLY UNINTENTIONAL !!!! Jose fired off a 3 punch combination right on the bell. The "unconcious" Dirrell reminds me of John Ruiz acting & Cortez blatant bias that cost Kirk Johnson the WBA title