Was Vuyani Bungu shot when he fought Naz?

You didn't hear a thing lol. More than a few PAc fans have said Pac is as great as those aforementioned guys. Some even have him greater than Jones, Chavez and Sweetpea right now. Cal nor PAc have that type of win cementing their greatness. They both have great wins, and can both cement their legacy even more than they have done already. Cal has his undefeated record, and classic boxing style that confirms his greatness. Pac has wins over past it opponents, Bob Arum in his back pocket, his classic fighting style, and time to still cement his greatness.

 

Alicea had good power early in his career and he lived off of that for his career, but he couldn't box a lick. He never beat any elite fighters. He was tough, but when he got into fire fights, his chin failed him. Alicea had good offense. Naseem underestimated his size and reach and that is why he got caught by Alicea. That was a good win for Naz because Alicea was a tall guy for the division who tried to take him out. He just didn't use his physical advantages and was happy to go for the ko instead of fighting smart. The Murphy and Wheeler fights were his best fights imo that I saw fight wise.

 

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....pacfan literally spent days gathering that ****.

 

He had to lol. It's the only way he can deal with my rote, photogenic memory lol...

 

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I agree with some of your points in the above post, but you are way too hard on Robinson. You have to look at things in context and in the round rather than simply going off statistics sometimes. At the start of his career, the guy was simply "playing" at boxing rather than taking it seriously. He was a full time warehouseman, simply boxing in the evenings to supplement his income and often taking fights at 48 hours' notice (including his title winning effort). Once he started to take the game more seriously, there was a 6 year period where he went 19-2-1 with the only losses being to Hamed and that fight with Hardy where he was very rusty having only fought once in a year and a half. Wins included world champs Paul Hodgkinson, Colin McMillan and Duke McKenzie as well as a "hometown" draw with Welcome Ncita in South Africa which he should have pissed. At the time of the Hamed fight he was ranked #3 featherweight by the Ring. Okay, he lost 6 in a row at the end of his career when he had nothing left and became a "name" opponent again, but the guy was good alright.

 

[quote="TKO";3168747]I agree with some of your points in the above post, but you are way too hard on Robinson. You have to look at things in context and in the round rather than simply going off statistics sometimes. At the start of his career, the guy was simply "playing" at boxing rather than taking it seriously. He was a full time warehouseman, simply boxing in the evenings to supplement his income and often taking fights at 48 hours' notice (including his title winning effort). Once he started to take the game more seriously, there was a 6 year period where he went 19-2-1 with the only losses being to Hamed and that fight with Hardy where he was very rusty having only fought once in a year and a half. Wins included world champs Paul Hodgkinson, Colin McMillan and Duke McKenzie as well as a "hometown" draw with Welcome Ncita in South Africa which he should have pissed. At the time of the Hamed fight he was ranked #3 featherweight by the Ring. Okay, he lost 6 in a row at the end of his career when he had nothing left and became a "name" opponent again, but the guy was good alright.[/quote]:goodGood post. He never saw Robinson fight. He probably doesn't know 3 quarters of the fighters he talks about nor their road to the top. He just glosses and falses lol... Half the info he googled, he just read because I was taxing his ass. He doesn't know about guys like Robinson and the road they took to get to the top because their credentials aren't up to par on paper, nor do they matter when it comes to judging fighters:dead.

 

I always find it amusing how certain people go out of their way to try and discredit Hamed, or British fighters in general. The fact the so many people spend so much time doing their best to discredit them, tends to suggest that they are actually rather good, and people get jealous of this fact.

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I think Hamed has about three of four wins on his resume, all of which are comprable and credible to be put forward for his "best win", Robinson, Bungu, Kelley or even Sanchez and Soto - when you take into account both the level of the opposition and performance, I think the win against Tom Johnson is the best. Naz was physically small in comparison to Johnson - who had just made ten successful defences of his IBF title, Naz fooled around with him, then knocked him out. Best win, IMO.

 

Wasn't the Robinson win in Wales as well???

Dinamita only rates the Bungu win as his best becuase he was ringside so naturally it's his best win

 

Dinamita is way underrating tha lad robinson....for someone to form an opinion like that about him, u can just tell that he didnt even watch his fights against "hoko" or mcKenzie..

 

Dinamita seems to be far more interested in 'winning' an argument than debateing it on its merits. Hence her farcial and pretty disrespectful treatment of a solid world class fighter like Robinson.

 

Lying again I see?

 

Untrue. I can find you posts of mine from months and months ago where I say similar things about Robinson. It is not disrespectful of me to Naz to call his title-winning fight what it was - the easy option. It's not a crime as Naz fought some far far better fighters after that.

Oscar De La Hoya did a similar thing, choosing to win the WBO superfeather title from J Bredahl rather than go straight in against someone like Azumah Nelson. There is no shame in that, it's smart management. Why throw a green fighter in with the very best world champ available right away, and risk their confidence and record being destroyed?? Best to build up gradually to fighting the best opponents available.

I was a lot more into domestic boxing back then than I am now, and I knew Robinson was miles out of his league at the time, and I won't change my mind on it now.

Hamed performed brilliantly on the night, but I don't rate Robinson as one of Naz's best wins as Robinson was not a world-class boxer IMO. And it was certainly nowhere near as good a win as Bungu, as Nallege suggests.

Do you disagree Boro?

 

I have seen a fai few of Robinson's fights mate, but I thought it was worthwhile looking into his careerin a bit more depth as I think people are fooled by the WBO title. Steve Robinson was a good, honest pro, but he was never a world class boxer IMO. Duke McKenzie was a natural flyweight and he fought Robinson at featherweight, which is an enormous leap at the lower weights, so I personally don't put much stock in that win.