Was Vuyani Bungu shot when he fought Naz?

I think that fight was more to do with Naseem being `on` rather than Bungu being `off` or `shot.`

Was Bungu prime ?.... honestly, I dont know, I never followed his fights enough but I did notice that Naz looked better than I personally had ever seen him for years.

Either way, the better fighter won more than likely.


Botswana :good

 

More than a few Calzaghe fans have also said he is greater than those guys, so your argument has no weight - as usual. I can actually name guys who have said so - Pugilist64 and China_Hand_Joe to name but two.

Calzaghe has a "classic boxing style"?? I doubt you've ever seen him fight. Calzaghe has anything but a "classic boxing style", that's what makes him so effective.

 

Then why bother debating if you're not even going to attempt to speak the truth and be accurate in what you say and use evidence? What's the point? I find it more fun to learn than to have insubstantial and ill-informed debates, and you learn when people make the effort to be accurate and back up their opinions.

 

Fair enough.......you still have to be the most stubborn poster on here though!

 

Good Boxer I would agree with, Borderline World Class I would not. I won't bother explaining why in detail as I have already done so, but in brief: 9 losses to journeymen by your 30th fight, a title reign with almost exclusively feeble opposition, and more bad domestic losses before retiring on something like 32-17-3 does not make you anything like borderline world class IMO.

If you disagree fair enough, but I have gave you my reasons and we can leave it at that.

 

I don't understand that. I have admitted I am wrong before, but I don't think I am regarding Bungu and Robinson, so why would I say I am? Idiots like Nallege would descend into 20-page long disgusting and abusive personal confrontations rather than admit they have changed their minds... that's why he has the terrible reputation that he does on this site, and why he got 'nil points' in the Noob of the Year final. The guy's a joke figure "lol".

 

My sentiments exactly. Bungu was perhaps a little past-prime, but no more so than Johnson, Kelley, Medina, Vasquez etc, and Naz was superb that night, rampantly dominant.

 

How would you rate a 1996-2000 Naz against 2000-2008 Manny in a featheweight bout then???

2004 not 2000 btw

 

OK, cue the inevitable storm of '*******', 'Pac dick rider', 'Pacdung' insults which will follow my post, but I genuinely believe Manny stops Naseem.

I have to log off soon as I'm going out for a meal, but I will very quickly write some reasons why I think so:

- Barrera convincingly beat Naz, Manny annihilated Barrera - both versions of Barrera were peak IMO, as 2000-2003 was the best run of form of MAB's career

- Manny drew with JMM at feather in '04, I think that JMM would have dominated Naz in a similar fashion to how Barrera did

- Manny's style exposes Naseems style. Naz's wide-open guard and low hands were made for someone with Manny's lightning-quick forward thrusting style. He would be bouncing shots off Naz's face and head all night long, and no-one at fw could withstand a night of Manny's punching

Of course, Naz has a puncher's chance, but in 1997 look how easily Kelley hit him and look how Naz's puncher's chance didn't do him any good v Barrera. Manny would keep getting through with punches like Kelley did, and Manny wouldn't leave himself as open as he did v JMM because he was aware of Naz's 1-shot power.

The constant scoring shots would mess up Naz's face, wear him down, and the ref would step in around round 11 with Naz trailing on points.

That's my honest assessment. I am a "hater" and a "*******"?

 

I never use hater or *******

 

I'm just surprised you actually took the effort to see Hamed at ringside when you clearly don't respect the guy.

 

How do you think the fight would go and why?

 

Of course I respect him. You are a very strange fellow. Why would you say that?

I think he was superb entertainment, still do. A very exciting fighter, well worth paying to see. I won tickets in the Daily Record to see him fight Sergio Liendo in Livingston (it's about 20 mins from my home), and was a fan thereafter.

However, thinking someone is tremendous entertainment does not equate to thinking they are a great fighter. I loved watching Gatti too, but I don't think he was a great fighter.

I think from the start Naz had glaring flaws and weaknesses that he never bothered to remedy, and that as soon as he ramped up the competition, he would lose and lose badly. He managed to beat some very good fighters (Bungu,Johnson,Kelley,etc), but as soon as he fought one elite fighter, he did lose.

When people go on about him as one of the most naturally talented fighters ever, could've been this, could've been that, iron chin etc, I disagree and say why I disagree.

How exactly does this constitute disrespect??

 

I also think it is quite hard to choose a best win unless its SO obvious but it isnt in Naz`s case.

Ali is my all time fav fighter but Im still not 100% on his best win.... Williams was his best performance.... Frazier in their 3rd fight took him to near death & brought out Ali`s gutsiest display even tho he took loads in return..... Foreman was the perfect blend of great performance + great opponent.... but which of the 3 was better ?

It really can be hard to judge at times & really is a matter of opinion.

Naz looked his most impressive vs Robinson & Bungu but where they his best wins ?... possibly, Naz fought a lot of guys on a similar kind of level so its personal opinion.

What I do know is that Kevin Kelley wasnt his best win because he wasnt leagues above everyone else Naz beat even if you do think he was the best & Naz was very sloppy in that fight, borderline amatuerish.


Botswana :smoke

 

I agree in one sense that Robinson was an easy option - not that he was necessarily a worse fighter than Eloy Rojas or Medina who held the WBA and WBC belts at that time (I agree Johnson was better) but in terms of being able to get the fight without ever having fought at feather thanks to Warren's influence with the WBO and not having to travel to a foreign country for the shot.