Was Vuyani Bungu shot when he fought Naz?

Very good post, and good comparison with Ali, it is so difficult to decide upon his greatest performance, as he was a superior fighter before his lay-off, but his biggest wins were after.

I agree that Naz has no clear-cut best win, I never said Bungu was.

Bungu and Johnson are both valid choices as I said in my first post on this thread, but if I am pushed to choose Naz's one best win, I say Bungu as Naz was more dominant in that fight, beautiful one-punch KO after winning every round easily.

JMO :good

 

[quote="TKO";3170357]I agree in one sense that Robinson was an easy option - not that he was necessarily a worse fighter than Eloy Rojas or Medina who held the WBA and WBC belts at that time (I agree Johnson was better) but in terms of being able to get the fight without ever having fought at feather thanks to Warren's influence with the WBO and not having to travel to a foreign country for the shot.[/quote]

That's just what I said earlier on this thread mate, Robinson was the ideal choice as the fight would be in Britain, big live audience, national terrestrial tv coverage, plus Robinson was of a quality level that Naz would easily power through to win the belt and look superb in doing so. Nothing wrong with that for his maiden title fight, in fact it was the smart move, but it doesn't mean Robinson was a world-class fighter, he never was. I stand by everything I have said about Steve Robinson in this thread.

 

Probably doesn't even know who hoko is. Discussions here are starting to become strictly a boxrec wikipedia statistics battle.

 

I have actually saw his fight with Hodkinson you dick. Have you even read through this thread or have you just popped on again for the first time since your last worthless post with yet another ill-informed insult??

 

I have seen it. I think we have to agree to disagree. There is nothing in post 51 I haven't addressed. McKenzie was a past-prime former flyweight, and his fight v Robinson was at feather. McMillan was a glass-jawed could-have-been who never won any world alphabet trinket. I have already gone through the rest of Robinson's world title reign, and have already brought up his record numerous times - the info is there for you if you want it.

For me, Robinson was a good honest pro who was lucky enough to get the chance to fight for a vacant WBO title against another non-world class boxer. He had one of the worst world title reigns ever, which was ended in devastating fashion as soon as he did face a world-class boxer.

Robinson was never in Naz's class, he was the overmatched easy option, but as I have said, he was the right option for Naz at the time for several reasons.

Robinson cannot be considered one of Naz's top 5 wins because he was not a strong enough opponent.

I stand by everything I have said re Steve Robinson, I believe it to be the truth. Nallege is way off saying Robinson may be Naz's best win and way off implying he was a better win than Bungu. He is usually way off, because he is an imbecile.

And my work for this thread is done. Peace out gentlemen :good

 

Tom Johnson wwas in decline by the time of the Naz bout.But even if he would have been in his prime Naz had too much power for him.

 

Johnson had made ten successful defences of his IBF title and hadn't lost a fight in over six years, until he lost to Naz.

He was in decline afterwards, not before, not during.

 

I think my work here in this thread is done. More than enough posters have seen through you. You'll never admit you lost a debate. The above is your flaw. You state that Romero was one of Bungu's best wins lol... Yet, what weight class did Romero start at/come from...and what weight class did he fight Bungu? Then you give us your info on Duke McKenzie. How did Romero fight Bungu? Quite well I might say.

Your math never adds up. You posting about Robinson's record doesn't tell the tale of what he had to go throw to earn his title. I KNOW YOU DIDN'T SEE THE HAMED-ROBINSON FIGHT. Posters overseas have been schooling you on Robinson. You say Naz beating Robinson wasn't one of Naz's top 5 fights? lol... This is what wikipedia can never tell you. Boxrec doesn't tell the story either, just blatant facts. When you said I thought Robinson was a better win, I only nominated him along with other fighters as possibly being...and when you lied and said that I implied Robinson was a better win...that was down right evil lol.

I'm done in this thread. I laid waste to your thoughts. And P.S. Don't ever lie to posters and say I follow you around. All posters have to do is check my history of posting to see through your lies. I debate, I don't follow. I've lead the way doing things my whole life lol... Don't get pissed because I exlaxed on your thoughts. We all have it done to us from time to time. You will never admit it because you're conceited lol. You can't know boxing like you do, and be conceited. Did you get any PM's recently asking you how could you let that Nallege guy exlax on you lol... Follow YOU around lol. You ratted on ME, so I don't insult posters anymore.

 

Yawn. The same old insults, the same old half-baked reasoning, the same old Nallege. You bore me because you are too easy for me, and then you troll around after me trying to start a new fight because you lost the last one. Yawn again.

- You suggested Robinson might be Naz's best win - I "EXLAXED" that theory.

- You suggested Robinson as maybe being Naz's best win amongst others, but you did NOT mention Bungu among the group of potential best wins, thereby implying that Robinson is one of his best but Bungu is not, ie that Robinson is a better win than Bungu - I also "EXLAXED" that theory.

No, Robinson's record doesn't tell you what he went through to get his title, so I will tell you (again):

He won the vacant WBO title by defeating John Davison on points. Robinson got a world title shot despite having a 13-9-1 record and having lost his last fight, an 8-round points decision. Davison on the other hand had a record of 15-3 and had recently lost a challenge for the European title. After losing to Robinson on a 12-round points decision, Davison was stopped in 4 by former flyweight Duke McKenzie and never fought again.

And this tale is supposed to make me think Robinson was good enough to be considered one of Naseem's finest victories?? atsch

I will repeat as you seem rather thick: Robinson was no more than a good honest pro who had one of the worst title reigns in history. Naz looked superb beating him, but Robinson cannot even be considered one of Naz's top 5 wins because Robinson was not a world-class boxer like Johnson, like Bungu, like Medina, like Vasquez, like Kelley, etc.

You are wrong. Sorry.

I know I did, because I have it on dvd. Quiz me on it, and I will embarrass you as usual. I'm waiting...


But we have both said our work is done on this thread. If you insist on keeping it going, then I will keep producing more posts like this... :hi:

 

You're still yapping...!!!??? lol. Your top 5 fights Naz fights are probably who had 10 defense, 9, 8, then 7..6,5...etc. lol. And you're still talking about Robinson...lol???:rofl Just take your roasting like a man. See you in another thread. Keep it science though in the future because if you don't...the outcome will be like this thread only a whole lot worse lol. A guy like you who never likes to admit when he is outdone will remember this thread for a long time lol...

 

The Naz that fought Barrera didn't even throw punches like Naz did when he fought Kelley. His heart wasn't in it.

IMO, Pacman (at FW) gets into a fight, gets careless, gets caught, and gets his lights put out. No doubt who the superior figther is, but that's what I think about both figthers in their respective primes at FW.

 

Flea, all he did was basically say: Barrera beat Naseem, PAc beat Barrera...PAc beats Naseem lol...:nut