Was Ward illegally ducking low?

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  1. p.falk

    p.falk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've seen this topic on other forums.
    I'm curious about what people think here?
    Good thing I dvr'd the fight that way I could rewatch the majority of it.
    I was kind of excited to see Ward doing so well. After reading some threads about the ducking I decided to rewatch with that in mind.
    & it kind of seems like Ward was ducking alot throughout the fight. Ducking lower than Kessler's waist or at least at his waist line.
    Every round.
    It's the refs job to call that if it is illegal. But is it?
     
  2. BeaverDan

    BeaverDan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    People say the same about Mayweather.

    Unfortunately, fighters can see others getting away with it and we'll see more of it.

    Ref's need to start deducting points for ducking down by your waist. It's almost impossible to counter.
     
  3. p.falk

    p.falk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I was talking with a buddy and he just said "that's when you upper cut"...
    But I don't think that's too valid of a response because 1st, if it's illegal it's illegal and the ref should be doing something about it. 2nd, it's hard to land anything meaningful (regarding an uppercut) if the opponent's head is already by your waist line.

    If you try to punch down at the head it's going to be very hard to hit. And there's a big difference in punching straight or up to punching down. With the latter you won't have any chance to land much of a meaningful shot.
     
  4. Badgeronimous

    Badgeronimous Will you stand? Full Member

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    Yeah Ward probably was ducking, holding and leading with the head, and yeah it was a big factor in the fight.... However, Kessler never adapted to it. Ward was getting away with it, and played it well - Kessler never.
     
  5. BeaverDan

    BeaverDan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Uppercut only works if they're ducking straight infront of you.

    Not ducking sideways or away from you. Even then, an uppercut still wouldn't be effective because that punch is supposed to be brought UP into the head.

    The only way I can see an effective method is if you throw a low hook into the side of their head.
     
  6. p.falk

    p.falk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I was doing alitte fake sparring with my friend...
    telling him to duck low, punch from that position and then come up to exchange in a clinch.
    And damn... that's too hard to deal with.
    Adapting is one thing when the guy is doing something legal, but how do you adapt to a guy that is ducking so low that you can't land anything significant?
    This isn't like working with a double-ended bag.... because here you're punching down.

    It was frustrating as hell, my friend would come in with a jab, whenever I would try to do anything he'd already be ducking and swaying like a pendulum. When he would come up into the clinch I could easily see how head clashes would occur.


    I wanted Ward to win and picked him by UD. But this just isn't fair for Kessler. I wanted the Super Six to test the best fighters. But I'm sorry to say that Dirrell and Ward implement tactics that do not make this interesting at all. I'm a much better boxer than my friend, but by ducking, keeping me at a distance with a stiff arm (what Ward was also doing) and springing into a clinch made it too difficult to deal with. I've boxed since 1995.... he only started boxing since 2007.
    These tactics aren't fair.
     
  7. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  8. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The one punch Kessler didn't throw last night was the uppercut. Not sure why.

    It may not have worked well with Ward being so low, but he still could have stung him on the forehead or thereabouts.
     
  9. lefthook89

    lefthook89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    but he didn't because he's a limited over hyped fighter, deal with it and stop crying already. i cant believe your still going on about this.
     
  10. StreetsOfGold

    StreetsOfGold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Only American fighters are allowed to get away with holding to avoid getting hit you should know this by now.
     
  11. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you kidding? Kessler is excellent at throwing uppercuts, even with his left hand.

    If he could throw uppercuts against Calzaghe -- a much better fighter than Ward -- then he could do so against Ward. But he didn't. Not sure why not.
     
  12. jordan1

    jordan1 Juan Lopez #1 Full Member

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    Your all most as funny as a CLOWN!!!!!:rofl:rofl
     
  13. p.falk

    p.falk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Plain and simple....
    Ducking that low is illegal, Ward ducked low regularly and the ref did nothing about it.

    If you guys think it's that easy to deal with an opponent ducking to your waist level then give it a shot yourself.
     
  14. Blind Sheikh

    Blind Sheikh Active Member Full Member

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    If all it took to beat the hell out of Kessler was illegally ducking low and holding then he sucks.
     
  15. lONGCOUNTED

    lONGCOUNTED I Killed MMA Full Member

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    It's no more illegal than the 453 rabbit punches that Froch threw vs Dirrell... Let's face it, Kessler was horrible last night. I really thought he was the class of the division, but he looked hesitant and unsure of himself last night. Hopefully he can turn it around.