Was Wladimir Klitschko the Best at the "Tall Style"?

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  1. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I feel like he was the best heavyweight at not getting hit as well.
     
  2. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    multiple ko losses kinda argue against that.
     
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  3. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Chin wasn't the best
     
  4. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    but why did he get hit so much?

    i respect wlad. but the only thing he was best at was jab n grab.
     
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  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    What fight would you say best demonstrated this ability?
    Lets cut to the chase , he controlled guys with bear hugs and back humps far more than with skillful distance control.

    https://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/09/steward-was-telling-wladimir-to-stop-clinching-peter/
     
  6. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    TBF he didn't get hit much during his title reign hence why he had such a long title reign despite having a questionable chin
     
  7. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Because he fought like a man-octopus against lower tier opposition.
     
  8. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Any fight but Chagev was a good one, Haye was a good one, the second Peters fight etc and yes clinching and controlling your opponent is part of it but its not what won him fights.
     
  9. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He wasn't getting hit very often compared to other fighters he just couldn't take a great punch when he did and obviously had some conditioning problems earlier in his career. It's literally impossible to never get hit by clean shots every fighter does.
     
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  10. dinovelvet

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    Chagev had a fencing match with Wlad at mid-range. Horrible game plan to stand right at the end of Wlad shots. Minimal distance control required in that one...He took the fight on short notice too it should be noted.
    WK had multiple warnings and an eventual point deduction for holding and mauling David Haye. And Haye wasn't even a front foot aggressor. He fought on the back foot and Wlad still held onto to him excessively.

    Brewster. Excessive clinching before getting knocked out.
    Both Peter fight. Copious clinching and hugging. Eddie Chambers beat Peter without any
    Tony Thompson. Assaulted him with hugging
    Povetkin. Shattered the clinch count record.
    Pulev. Double handed fist pumps. Neck locks. Illegal canvas
     
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  11. themaster458

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    You’re right that Wlad relied on clinching to control opponents and stop them from working on the inside. But that wasn’t because he couldn’t fight—it was part of a smart strategy to play to his strengths. He combined it with one of the best jabs in heavyweight history, a powerful right hand, and great control of the ring.

    When opponents got past his jab, clinching let him shut down their offense and reset the fight. It might not have been the most exciting style, but it worked. Other great fighters like Ali, Hopkins, and Ward used similar tactics to control fights and frustrate opponents.

    If opponents couldn’t deal with Wlad’s clinching, that was more about his ability to impose his style than a flaw. Usyk showed against Fury that a smart fighter can find ways to counter that approach, but most of Wlad’s opponents couldn’t.

    At the end of the day, clinching was just one part of what made Wlad so dominant during his reign. It didn’t take away from his skills with the jab, his right hand, or his ability to control the fight from the outside.
     
  12. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    How could he have one of the best jabs in history and not be able to shut guys out from a distance?
    Every clinch he committed in his career was a result of that guy getting past the jab.
    But that wasn't the only reason he clinched. He used it as a weapon , often leading with clinching instead of punching.
    His style was totally illegal and only enabled because he had full control of the refs when he fled to Germany.
     
  13. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    That's just part of boxing. You can't expect any fighter, no matter how good their jab is, to always keep opponents at the end of their punches. Even legends like Holmes or Ali couldn't do it indefinitely—opponents eventually find ways to close the distance. That's where footwork and clinching come into play.

    Also, keep in mind that Wlad wasn't always the one initiating clinches; his opponents were often just as guilty when they ran into him. That said, I’ll concede that he initiated most of them. You mentioned his style was 'illegal,' but clinching has always been part of the sport. Many other greats, like Ali or Hopkins, used clinching effectively, and it wasn’t considered an issue. Was it also illegal when they did it? If not, it seems like a double standard to single out Wlad for something that's always been part of boxing strategy.
     
  14. dinovelvet

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    Its part of his boxing. Like it was part of Lawerence Okoile , John Ruiz and sometimes Holyfields boxing. Nobody gives Evander credit for mauling Tyson with hugs and headbutts. Mayweather doesn't get credit for sometimes grappling.

    Remember how he locked onto to Mosley like a mollusk? Wlad would do that in every fight.

    His whole game plan revolved around jab and grab. Thats what separates him from the rest.
    It wan't clinching done instinctively. It was all planned and prepared for.
     
  15. Tin_Ribs

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    Dino has a good point imo regardless of his bias. I find it baffling (though not surprising) how some people completely manage to entirely dodge and circumnavigate the shams that were the Povetkin, Chagaev, Ibragimov fights etc. There's a difference between clinching effectively and doing what Wlad did in half his fights. Ali was a f*cker against Frazier and Foreman on occasion, but what the likes of he,Ward and others did wasn't panicked, undisguised bear hugging every time an opponent tried to punch (or before they punched in some cases). Even Hopkins at his most spoilsome and ugly actually worked a clinch and mixed actual attacking work into the rough housing. What Wlad sometimes did was comparable to Akinwande against Lewis, which was rightfully derided on a universal scale, except Akinwande didn't have the talent, profile or rabid fan base of some of the European fighters, hence was an easier scapegoat.

    I'd find it less grating if some of the people on here who defend Wlads tactics didn't denigrate the likes of Hatton mauling Tszyu.