Watched May/Mosley and Pac/Cotto Today....

no one really knows and thats why we all want the fight.

there both great at doing thier own thing.their both the best overall and are in the same weight class now.

both have great speed,footwork,counters,chins,can box techincal and be aggressive and brawl.

the difference for me is that pacquio is the bussier fighter,he throws more combinations,and higher output of punches in combos.

but has that great footspeed to move in and out unpredictably,which floyd could not plan for,and would take rounds to get used to if at all.

manny has great upper body movement and flexibility defensively,to come over with punches & go under after landing,and move around or away from anyone.

(oscar and shane were rigid upper body wise,with worse defenses and gassed out,pac doesnt do any of those things,yet both oscar and shane had success agaisnt floyd for some points in their fights)

Pac needs to get off first,be busy and accurate with deliberate combinations and movement around the ring in specific counter and clockwise motions to best get at opening the shoulder roll and the gaps in floyd defense.speed with timing makes a mockery of floyd defense too.

also not second guess like he did vs marquez (2nd fight)
i see pac fighting only techinically,not looking to hurt floyd or prove he can take a shot and is the harder tougher man,only going for the kill if floyd gets hurt badly.

manny would most likely look to outland and outpoint floyd with effective agressiveness,combinations set up from the jab,to the body then head,with 3,4 punches landed each time,then pac move out of range,or away from punches as soon as he throws them,being unpredictable and hard for floyd to time and work out.

pac avoids floyd pot shots,out lands & out points floyd for the first half of thie fight.

THEN,he backs of,makes floyd fight out of his comfort zone and come and be the one who has to be the aggresser,therefore making floyd get off first,and timing floyds pot shots i.e. lunging right hands,with pacs own counters,like judah did to floyd and got a flash knock down from it.

imagine that pac fights like judah and castillo did vs Floyd but obvisouly its pacman in there with all his skills and technique and stamina.

floyd would look to win by landing only few shots,but big hard counters such as hooks to the body and uppercuts to the chin.which seem to be pacs weaknesses.

although pac allows people to take him to ropes and land as he loves to prove himself the tougher man vs the bigger guys ala cotto,clottey and margarito.

also who has floyd fought who had crazy speed,foot work,solid defence and didnt get tired?.
people always talk about pac and him fighing big slow "zombies",but what great technical boxers has floyd fought?,and what prime great boxer has floyd fought at welterweight?.

 

floyd will potshot pacquiao to win a wide UD.

 

Everyone throws much less than their usual against floyd, there is a reason, they dont want to take the flush counters. People that think Pac is going to be throwing at floyd in the 10th round like he all night against Margo or clottey are deluded.

 

Based on evidence, Mayweather should have schooled Castillo. However, he got a gift.

Based on evidence, Floyd could beat pretty much everybody, by saying "he's too skilled, X guy is not skilled enough".

 

I dont see pac jumping in and out of range so easy with not getting countered. Floyd has such a huge reach advantage and equal speed, he will counter him.

I am also expecting to see floyd use the high guard if the shoulder roll doesnt work well

 

Obviously, the only way to get Manny to throw less is to counter him. We've seen every other tactic fail. Manny isn't stupid, he will realize his tactic isn't working and switch to a new one if he has to. When he's not landing the cleaner more effective shots, he'll change his tactic, or Roach will tell him to change his tactic. It's going to be a thinking game. I think we'll see several different fights from both fighters in this one.

 

this fight is a tossup. pac is a southpaw with speed and power. floyd is a sucker for lefties. floyd has great defense but against a southpaw, he is vulnerable to pacs left straight. pac doesnt attack straightforward, he side steps which is very hard to defend. floyd may shoulder roll but i can see pacs straight and body punches connecting. he may counter all night but pac will just eat those punches. floyd sometimes become very predictable. he always does his leaping left hook which may put him to the canvass if he always does this to pac.

floyd will potshot pacquiao to win a UD. if he engages, he will get hit or may get knocked out.

 

The problem with that is Floyd covers up his mistakes as he makes them. After the Castillo fight, that tactic no longer worked on him. During the second half of the Oscar fight, that tactic no longer worked. Floyd is EASILY the most adaptive fighter in the game. You're mistaken if you think Floyd won't be able to figure out what Manny is doing. He's seen it all before and he'll be the one timing Manny.

 

Mayweather is clearly the more skilled of the two... but when I think about the matchup between the two, its more than skill that will win Pacquiao the fight. He's tougher, hits harder (not more accurately), is busier and he's a southpaw. If Mosely hurt Floyd, I'm confident that Pacquaio can too...and more often. Pacquiao throws from angles and I don't think Floyd has ever fought anyone with the footwork Pacquiao has. It will be an intriging fight if it ever happens. I think Floyd will land the cleaner shots but don't think he can hold up over 12 rounds against Pacquiao. I think eventually Manny would catch Floyd and it would be game over.

 

I agree with you that most fighters (besides Castillo) that Mayweather has faced throw less punches when they face him. i guess it just seems lately that the judges have been quick to give the busier fighter the nod. I was pleased to see the judges give Mayweather the victory over DLH, because although he wasn't as active his punches were more accurate and effective. I also think Floyd is a smarter fighter than Pac. I've never seen someone make adjustments in a fight as well as mayweather. I think u will see a lot of coaching by Roach in the fight, and not much at all by Roger or Floyd Sr. I don't know how Roger's court case is going so we could see Floyd Sr. coach Floyds next bout if he is to have one.

 

I favor Floyd in that fight as well, but there are plenty of reasons to think Manny could pull it off:


He matches Floyd in speed and power... he might have the better chin... his workrate and unorthadox southpaw style could upset Floyd's rhythm... and even though Floyd recovered nicely and dominated the rest of the fight, he was rocked badly by Mosley... It's not impossible to think Manny could'nt do the same... and maybe more.

 

is it only me or pac can really counter a counter punch....

saw it against cotto and margo. :good

 

without going into depth, plain and simply, manny is staying active while lil floyd isn't.....say they wouldve fought after the mosely fight, then lil floyd MAY have had the upper hand, but due to his inactivity, manny would be too much for lil floyd if they ever strapped up......lastly the whole south paw thing, manny is no zab judah