Watching Lomas fights and its easier to see why he lost to Lopez

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  1. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not really it just means Loma is not used to fighting bigger and stronger boxerers as he was fighting @126.Since he has had 3 years to acclimatize to the physicality and power of lightweight now the excuses should be thrown in the bin.No excuses!

    Teofimo is 23 his man strength is coming not many 23 year olds do what he do and it bodes well for the future.There is room for improvement.Loma couldnt beat a green TEO what more a focused and sharp TLO coming at you with explosive power, owee!
     
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  2. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Okey, then please not be hypocrite with this: Lopez too does not have any ground for excuses why he did not had stopped Nakatani in distance. If Loma achieved this, this most likely was not unachievable task also for Lopez.
    Remember, NO EXCUSES will work also for Lopez, not only Loma.
     
  3. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Your man strength don't com till your about 30
     
  4. Manfred

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  5. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't own no facts, facts stand by themselves and here's another one for you. Lopez has won 16 fights and 12 of them are by knockouts. There should a message in there somewhere.
     
  6. PIPO23

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    No excuses he was horrible and didn’t perform.Nakatani had success like i said TLO trying to do too much shoulder scroll and he is not Floyd Mayweather.He might need to stop that BS and keep that hand up.Void doesn’t get hit cause he runs has a jab and feints to keep opponents guessing.TLO stands in the pocket and caught flat footed and stiff.
     
  7. im sparticus

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    Its not that lopez is bigger , stronger and size advantage was too much for loma, cos quess what in a rematch lopez aint going to be smaller and loma aint going to be bigger, loma will have the same obstacles to overcome.
    It was Lopez size and physicality that got into Lomas head, he gave him too much respect mentally because of the size and physicality diffence. Loma was on the back foot and been negative when he could of defended and countered, he gave the early rounds away because of what was in lomas head he now knows this and that's why he's kicking himself. He's built up too much of a monster in his own head because of the size and physicality difference he could see. He was too cautious early on and threw away too many early rounds when he now knows he could of done so much better.
    Boxing is a mental game in many respects he over estimated and "got it wrong"
     
  8. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    The klit brothers are very overrated.
     
  9. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think there is indeed some truth to this. While I readily acknowledge that Lopez brings exceptional speed and punching power to the table, I too believe that Loma was unnecessarily deferential in the first half of the bout. Again, he wasn't in there with a freakishly athletic specimen ala a young Roy Jones.

    Should Loma have been cautious and more conservative in his approach in the early going? You had better believe it. Adopting an overly assertive or aggressive posture against a bigger, stronger, puncher who's quick off the draw--and with heavy artillery at that-- is a recipe for disaster.

    Nonetheless, there was no reason why Loma couldn't have selectively held his ground and generated more point-scoring offense. He created similar opportunities in the second half of the fight, and I believe he can create them again only earlier in a rematch.
     
  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And if Lomachenko tried that from the beginning the probability of him catching a counter increases exponentially. What do you think happened in the 12th round ? Lopez is a very natural counterpuncher and knows how to reset Lomachenkos agression as well when he framed him off of his shoulders. Loma did nothing different agaisnt Nakatani that shows he'd certainly be able to beat Lopez in a completely approach than the first fight. I favor Loma but this isn't a gameplan issue, it's a styles one
     
  11. Surrix

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    Well, I think he underestimated Lopez discipline level and was waiting until Lopez will loss patience, stop thinking about defense and rush for stoppage win as lesser experienced guy.
    Then Loma might had heavily countered him.

    Looks that he really had underestimated Lopez's discipline and patience. Maybe had dreams that Lopez does not respect him and will loss patience like a lot of young pupps had did.
    While they might talk what they wish to sell fight better, why not, they in reality is different ppl and when I had watched some Lopez talks about Loma I did not had saw delusional disrespect or dreaming in these talks.
    Pointing about mileage matters a lot, better suitable for 126 lbs or 130 lbs for Loma, admitted that he is a large guy: for me looked pretty realistic and normal, sign of critical thinking and analytic skills.
     
  12. hoopsman

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    Loma lost the 12th round. And??

    He won arguably 5 (certainly 4) of the 6 rounds in the second half of the fight by selectively standing his ground and creating scoring opportunities. There is no reason to think he can't generate similar opportunities in a rematch.

    Does it increase the chances he could get clipped? Sure, but he isn't going to win adopting a purely defensive posture, as he arguably did through rounds 1-6 in the first fight. Does it also increase the chances he won't be 5-6 rounds behind in the last third of the fight? You had better believe it.

    Lopez wasn't "resetting" Loma's aggression in most of the rounds he won by counterpunching---hell Loma hardly threw any punches to counterpunch---so much as he was generally acting as the aggressor himself. Lopez's size, speed, power and aggressive approach discouraged Loma's offense in the early going.
     
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  13. MarkusFlorez99

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    Yeah but as we've seen 6 rounds of agression will get him clipped eventually. Teo also had success going to the body and throwing Lomachenko off, pushing an agressive Loma back at the end of round 11 and won round 12 by exchanging with Loma significantly and catching him. Loma can hurt Lopez but we KNOW Lopez can hurt Loma because he did.
     
  14. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Facts are holy thing in boxing.
    Lopez was not able to stop nor Loma nor Nakatani.
    Evey one with at least little piece of brains who claims to be hardcore boxing fan does knows that these does not beat harder than Pedraza, Linares and Campbell, Garcia and ofc also Tank and bunch with boxers around.

    While you looks that do have intent to claim that Lopez is some kind of KO artist.
    LOL.
    Usyk too was artist to win fights via stoppage until he get in good shape real and true division top 4-5 boxers in the ring.

    Instead of this trolls like you are laughing how pillow fisted Usyk was and how cool KO artist Lopez is.
    KO hero who was not able to stop Nakatani, damn, hero KO king.
     
  15. hoopsman

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    Lopez did have some success going to the body early in the fight largely by moving forward and pressing the action, not by catching Loma coming in and blasting him with counterpunches. Indeed, it's not as if Loma came out aggressively, only to get caught with hard counter shots that then discouraged future offensive activity.

    Moreover, the idea is not to fight every minute of every round for six rounds aggressively. That would almost assuredly result in Lopez clipping him. Rather it's about adopting a more offensive posture for periods within each round. We both watched him do it with considerable success in rounds 7-11.

    As a matter of fact, Loma was probably more aggressive than would normally be considered prudent against a quick, heavy handed puncher like Lopez precisely because he knew he was down on the cards. Had he been a bit more offensive minded early, and there were opportunities available, he could have been much more selective with his aggression late.

    Yes, Lopez unquestionably won most of the exchanges in Rd 12. Who won most of the exchanges the previous round? I would argue Loma. In fact, he hurt Lopez with a body shot that round. I would submit that Loma won or broke even in most of the exchanges in the second half of the fight (there weren't many to consider in the first half).

    Thus, the notion that Loma has to pin his gloves to his ears all night and never punch for fear that he will inevitably get tagged and knocked out is grossly overstated.
     
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