Watching the Haye-Barrett fight again..

WOW never noticed that head but to Montes chin...that looked bad

 

:good

 

Thanks for your objectivity. The Barrett fight, I'm afraid,. proved little, 'cept a big payday.

 

I've watched the fight a few times.

I do think it was an impressive performance by Haye. Barrett, for his number of faults, is one of the only guys I've seen at HW that has absolutely no quit in him. He does not lay over for anyone, and his record shows that pretty clearly.

Haye showed speed and control in this fight. He was a little slower than at cruiser, but still showed some great stuff at HW against a guy who I feel could be top 10-15 on his best day.

 

Haye can be as fast as he was at cruiser! He knows that the one chance against klitschko would be the speed! And hes working on it!

 

the headbutt looked nasty, but i doubt it would have changed anything. maybe barrett might have lasted to the 6th round or something.

the biggest danger for wladimir in this fight is getting countered by a fast right hand from an unorthodox angle. and haye definately throws from some creative angles when he wants to. but even then im not so sure haye will have enough to put wladimir away if he did land a perfect shot.

that leads me to haye's weakness. haye simply doesn't have great stamina. this talk about being weight drained is rubbish. he never looked like a skeleton at crusierweight. if the weight as that much of an issue he would have simply shed some muscle mass but he never did. haye literally throws ko punches and little else.

in the barrett fight that is a good example. he simply stayed on the outside and only threw big shots. no consistant jabs or other punches to keep the points piling up. i really do believe it's his lack of stamina which will be his ultimate downfall.

 

Haye HAS no jab. that I've seen. He just leans forward, hands down, waiting for the chance to counter with a big KO shot.

Wlad will take him apart if that's how he tries to fight in their meeting. Haye will have to do something different for Wlad, cause that crap he got away with with Barrett won't work, at all, with a big, fast, skilled powerpuncher like Klitschko. Haye will have to actually move and box, or else, he won't last two rounds.

But Haye does have immense power, no question. Its the kind of power that, sometimes you are not really sure where or when it landed, as you just see the opponent suddenly crumble. This guy can take anyone out, if he lands flush. I think Haye has more sheer KO power than Peter. And not merely cause he's a more skilled fighter with more ability to deliver it, but he has more power, in my opinion.

 

Yeah the heads definitely clash, but I dont think it was intentional.

Monte Barrett was a live opponent and fought like he wanted to win, he basically walked Haye down from the opening bell and put him under total pressure. Even after he'd been knocked down 3 or 4 times he was still coming forward looking for the big shot to turn it around.

Watching it again I think Haye's win was very impressive. He showed a lot of things that haven't been seen in the heavyweight division lately. He showed fast, explosive power that can shake a reliable 230lbs heavyweight like Monte to his knees. His ring generalship and footwork was great, moving out of range all the time to keep out of the way of Monte's jab and getting into position to land great counters with both hands. Haye timed Monte with several right's that stunned him badly, and the first knockdown was based on a counter. These are boxing skills that you rarely see at the weight anymore, where plodding eastern europeans and overweight american journeymen reign supreme.

The weaknesses are the low left hand, which someone with a long raking jab like those Klitschko brothers could exploit. Haye needs to fight an in-out fight, where he can keep away from Kiltschko jab and come inside quickly to do his work. In a jabbing competition at mid-range David Haye gets hurt badly against either of the Klitschko's. If he stands toe-to-toe and brawls, which is a possibility, he'll get knocked out. He can't do this if he wants to stand a realistic chance of winning. He also leaves himself a bit open when going downstairs, although I dont think that the Klitschko's are the type of fighter to exploit that. They never get low down to guard their bodies, they're upright fighters.

Haye's chin is also a big factor in this fight, because he doesn't take these heavyweight shots well. Barrett definitely hurt him a few times, and that knockdown might not have been a heavy knockdown but it was real enough. The Klitschko brothers have a different kind of power to Monte Barrett and the cruiserweight Haye has fought.

Haye can win, but he has to fight small and from the outside, using angles and head-movement to get inside and unload. Standing at mid-range getting picked off by the Klitschko jab will lead to him getting knocked out, but the Klitschko's hate angles and sideways movement. Haye seems to do well countering upright fighters who have the eastern-european amatuer background, Alexander Gurov is a great example. 6ft5 with a great jab and power in both hands. He came at haye with that jab and Haye did this to him....

[YT]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l3H1_hkRYAk[/YT]

That's a 45 second KO in a european title fight right there. You dont see that often, although Gurov has been sparked out like that before I believe. I think Haye likes eastern european fighters who come at him in straight lines, I think he knows from his amateur background how to counter their punches. If he can counter Wlad's jab, make him scared to throw it by timing a big right hand for whenever Wlad pokes it out there, he can stay on the backfoot and punish wlad every time he comes forward. Once Haye's finds his pace he can settle down and look for opportunities to land the big shot and take his guy out. Wladimir can be knocked out and I dont rate his recovery power, so if he gets hit it's lights out.

 

We usually dont agree on anything, but you are definetely right about this. If you hadnt pointed this out, I would've never recognized.

 

Yeah but there wasn`t anything malicious in that,nothing deliberate.Its a contact sport isn`t it at the end of the day,Monte was lumbering forward didn`t see Haye head rising up aswell as Haye didn`t see Montes head.

 

Very very
good post!

 

No doubt there was a headbut there

 

What about the other 4 knockdowns? You got any excuses for them? :think

Come on give me a break, he got beat by the better man, simple :bbb

 

Vicious headbutt but not intentional. Barrett was sleepwalking after that sequence. His hand speed dropped dramatically.

Haye sure is a wild swinging brawler. Loops almost all of his power punches and leaves himself badly out of position. I get the feeling that a disciplined counter puncher would pose massive problems for Haye.

 

Are you really trying to claim Haye doesnt have the power to knock down Barrett without headbutting him by posting a video in which he knocks him down 4 times?