Watershed Heavyweights

I have no idea what this means.

 

Wait, I think I get it.

For example, I have Louis losing to a few guys afterwards, buy no-one before? Ali only loses to Frazier imo.

 

nope, unless the ruleset is bias to their era, talent is randomly born and superiority has to be taken on a case by case basis

i think the best example i could come up with is dempsey, not only do i think he doesnt lose to any heavyweights before him (not because of some modern=superior agenda, but because I think he was the superior clay with the superior sculpting), but he increased boxing's popularity by a decent margin, allowing for more athletic and toughman talent to find their way to the ring

In that sense i would also call Lewis or Wlad anti watershed heavyweights, making boxing much less popular and more difficult to get into with the absurd notions of needing to train since childhood and ridiculous amateur careers had by some, causing a lackluster crop. But again, talent is randomly born, and even if boxing is not at its height of popularity and sought after as it used to be, a man could be born whom is better than the rest

 

Can't see a prime Joe Louis losing to anyone before his era except possibly Dempsey if he blitzes him early without getting himself knocked out. There's a reason Louis was considered the Dawn of the modern era and modern techniques.

 

Jeffries
Johnson
Louis
Ali

 

Nope.

 

Jack Johnson is the first name that comes to mind.

 

Ali
Liston
Louis
Dempsey

 

Jeffries
Johnson
Louis
Liston
Ali
That is all. I think they beat all who came before them.

 

For you Bits
Greek:
Onomatos
Euthymos
Melankomas (May as well be mythical, if his stories are true the list ends here)

English BKB
Broughton
Slack
Mendoza
Belcher
Jem Mace

Gloved
John L Sullivan
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney
Joe Louis
Ali (List should end here. Can think of anyone I'd favor with confidence. Tyson, Holmes,Lennox, Wlad and Fury could make a case)

 

Genuine examples are probably few and far between.

For example I don't think that Sullivan would lose to any gloved fighter before him, but can you say that Jeffries wouldn't lose to Sullivan in a series of three, or that Johnson wouldn't lose to Jeffries in a series of three?

 

I think that he was better than anybody who came before, him but that does not mean that he would beat them all.

A very good version of Joe Louis lost to Max Schmeling for a start.

Lets say that he fought a trilogy against Dempsey, or a trilogy against Tunney, or a trilogy against Johnson.

Wouldn't there be one of those scenarios where he would pick up a loss?

 

Same boat here.

 

Johnson wouldn't lose to Jeffries in a series of 3.